01-29-2022, 01:57 PM
imaguy3 Wrote:The take away from everyone in the training, was pretty much full auto in an AR platform has no place in current LE, in a sub gun like an MP5 the argument could be made.
If you are talking about the 8" circle drill, the drill was three targets set up about 5 feet apart. We were on the 15yrd line. The drill was on the timer, from safety on, move to full auto and do a controlled burst of 3 rds (using trigger control) into the 8" circle of each target, using the safety in between target transitions. The whole class did this. We then did the same drill on semi auto only. It wasn't even close as to how much faster everyone was on semi auto only with group sizes being much much tighter. There was no time limit. We were racing each other and ourselves. The caveat was that if any round was outside of the 8" circle you did not get your time and it was a "no go" (DNQ)
At the end of the week we could all shoot full auto well don't get me wrong, but we could all shoot semi auto faster and with tighter groups. Not to mention it is so much easier to manipulate the safety/selector to semi vs a full 180* rotation.
Everyone was doing it with what they brought. Most people had AR platforms of various barrel lengths and optic setups. The guy with the MP5 was obviously no problem for him due to the ability of the trigger to better control 3 shots while in full auto in this method.
As for the AZPOST pistol qual with the targets I posted. Attached is the pistol course of fire prescribed by AZPOST that every LEO in the state has to qualify with annually. Let me know if it doesn't work. It's 50 rounds, 5 pts for in and 0 for out, total score of 250. In order to be considered for firearms instructor school (2 wks long) you need to shoot a 230 or better opening morning, if not you go home.
IM3:
Thankyou again for the info.
Doctrine for you guys to put the safety on between targets in an array?
No time standard?
Just asking. Even if there was a time standard, the final results would be the same but it would be a lot closer. More guys would miss one shot out of nine, even on semi, when under a time constraint.
A unit I was in actually had a couple of M-3's. One thing I can say about them is that they are not prone to malfunction. The thing breaks down into six parts if I remember, and the bolt weighs about as much as the rest of it. Stick your finger in a hole in the bolt, pull back until it locks, point and blast. The hotter it got, the faster its rate of fire. Guess all those 'tight tolerances' needed to expand and open up a bit for it to really go. A fellow is SOL big time if he loses the wire stock. No way a guy will get more than ten rounds in that mag by hand without that little loading thing on the stock. Something tells me that the sights on one of them aren't really made to do anything other than show a guy the thing is pointed away from him.
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