10-23-2021, 05:14 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-23-2021, 05:37 PM by Oso Polaris.)
Brazz04 Wrote:Ya...that was a lot time and effort to say exactly what I said earlier.
Grendel or SPC already exist and do everything a ham'r will do, plus you can shoot long range.
Stop fooling yourself, neither is much more or less expensive (you keep talking about hunting rifles that shoot what 100 rounds a year?), and buying a magazine or two to support a different cartridge makes no difference to your wallet.
I've read the ham'r threads, that's why I came to the conclusion that I'm at. It's not eye opening in the least.
HAHAHA - I just looked at this. I have been sick so my sleep cycle is screwed (up & down). I don't remember writing that much the prednisone steroids & sleep deficit may an interesting combo! LOL
Just to be clear - I am a Grendel fan, but with a balances approach. I don't buy into the "Only One" caliber belief. I like having choices and options, and I don't mind reloading for multiple calibers.
By hunting rifles I mean mostly AR15's with expected use of plinking and general use, such as hunting, as compared to precision, long-range rifles. I serve as an RSO at my home-range, which is a NRA 1000-yard range. How often do you think a Grendel is seen on 300 yards, lone enough 600-1000 yards. I appreciate the longer-range potential of the 6.5 Grendel, but as the expression goes "What settles out after the wash..." is that most Grendel shooters never utilize the long-range potential of the cartridge. I see and find more 224 Valkyrie at 300 yard range then Grendel. The greater BC advantage beyond 300 yards only means something to a very small percentage of Grendel owners. The Grendel's long range potential for most shooters is like owning a Ferrari as your daily ride.... the 160mph top speed is bragging rights at the water cooler but otherwise means nothing unless you are also a member of a race track.
From a reloading perspective the 300 HAMR is more flexible with huge selection of bullets, and decent selection of brass at reasonable prices plus DIY case conversions option for free. Depending on bullet, I can buy 4 boxes of .308 for price of 5-6 boxes of 6.5mm. Cost break is do to the significant production volume of .308 bullets as compared to 6.5mm bullets. The guys I shoot with go through 1000-2000 rounds a year. It adds up enough to pay for the additional reloading gear (dies & gages) needed for 300 HAMR.
There are some newbie budget shooters that spending $100 on new magazines is an issue.... Yes, small dollars items for us, but maybe real money to others. I have a brother in law that could never afford to buy his own rifle even though he was all about the outdoor life... had to explain if he didn't watch baseball and football for next 2 moths he could buy $1000 rig from money he saved on not paying for beer and wings while watching the games.
I think once you take the "long-range potential" of the 6.5 Grendel or even 6.8SPC off the table , and we look at AR15 Cartridges based on real-life application in the field then we are splitting hairs on 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC and 300 HAMR. When Sig Sauer and other major manufacturers starts offering their rifles chambered in 300 HAMR and factory ammo on the shelf then the changes in marketshare will tell us just how much the Average Joe shooter cares about the 800-1000 yard capability of these size cartridges.
I think Bill Wilson mirrored your final comment in his evaluation of the 6ARC (6mm Grendel) that Hornady asked him to test. You may recall seeing his thoughts/review on the cartridge in the 300 HAMR thread.