just_john Wrote:No, they kept the other folks from forcing their agenda on usThat is incorrect. Actually, the "other side" -- King George -- had been forcing his agenda on the colonies for years, until the Founding Fathers used force to stop the continued violation of what they considered to be their rights.
just_john Wrote:to look a little deeper, at that time it was "outsiders" trying to force their will on us.Not really. At that time, we were British colonies -- part of the British Empire -- and subjects of the King.
The King thought he had the right to force his will on his colonies, and some of the colonials thought their rights were violated by the King.
The matter was eventually settled by force of arms.
just_john Wrote:A parallel is the medical world.The reality is that some germs will kill you before you can develop a natural immunity.
Get a shot to kill what ever known kind of germ and virus that you may carry. THe other side says, go play in the dirt and develop a natural immunity.
just_john Wrote:We can't kill off all the germs so we gotta learn to live with 'em.Getting vaccinated makes that task a helluva lot easier and much less problematical.
just_john Wrote:A good friend and I were talking some months ago and these kind of issues came up. He made an interesting comment, that it is well documented in sociological studies that the level of violence, chaos and loss of order ( which is feeding the anti's ) is exactly what would be the results of overcrowding and deep urbanization. You don't hear of any incidences of mass mayhem in rural areas, only in highly congested urban environments.IMO, you're indulging in wishful thinking. For one thing, what you propose would require a level of dedication, determination, and coordination that's never been seen in the firearms community.
Is this fixable? Not unless a massive de-urbanization process is undertaken or some large scale natural event does it for us. Or, maybe some idiot with a bigger trigger. The other way to fix it is by putting out the word that we're not the bad guys. Defuse the "disinformation" flow. As stated above, when one of "our kind" uses a firearm as a solution, make sure the local media says so. And keep doing it. Try to get skeet clubs in the local schools. Take someone to a gun range and let 'em go with .22's. The bottom line is to eliminate the fears that folks have of firearms. Then, be elimination, it will be seen that firearms are simply a tool of choice by the bad guys.
For another, many on the "other side" will not cooperate with the implementation of your plan. I had a relative who was very anti-gun. Feared and loathed guns. (I think his outlook may have been formed in the service, when he saw a guy use a Thompson SMG to needlessly slaughter a group of seals, just for fun.) No amount of logic or facts that I presented could change his mind, nor was I ever able to talk him into handling -- let alone shooting -- a gun.
