Excellent! Stats on gun violence

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What I said is historical fact. If you're going to ignore it, and continue to hold on to the erroneous belief that the Second Amendment's stated need for a "well regulated" Militia means that the government can therefore regulate the purchase and possession of weapons by private citizens -- which is the same argument that the anti-gun crowd has long espoused -- then I don't know what to say.

No, well regulated means trained in my opinion. I could be wrong since there are so many different opinions on this issue . The 2nd A has been interpreted from every angle possible to fill what ever political motive is sought. Claiming your interpretation is fact while dismissing others is quite comical. Here is another take of the 2ndA that agrees and disagrees with both of our interpretations .https://mises.org/wire/why-we-cant-ignor...-amendment I will quote Abraham Lincoln:Molding public opinion is the most important factor. Abraham Lincoln, debating slavery, said in 1858, ?Public sentiment is everything. With public sentiment, nothing can fail; without it, nothing can succeed. Consequently he who molds public sentiment goes deeper than he who enacts statutes or pronounces decisions. He makes statutes and decisions possible or impossible to be executed.? The triumph of gun rights reminds us today: If you want to win in the court of law, first win in the court of public opinion. The whole premise of our debate was emotion vs facts. I'm starting to understand how one is used to manipulate the other.

unalienable adjective

chiefly US, formal : impossible to take away or give up

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unalienable

Yet capital crimes will take away everything including a persons life.

Breathing?

Depends on what you are breathing in now doesn't it?

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Huh? You do not understand properly organized, disciplined, and trained?

No, I didn't forget it. What you (and others) fail to understand is that in the 18th Century, "the whole people" did not have the same meaning it has today. In Mason's time, "the whole people" did not mean the entire populace. It meant only adult white males. And that meaning was codified in the Second Militia Act of 1792.

So we have included everybody today as equals yet that somehow negates the principle of the militia??

Not relevant to a discussion about what the Founders' generation did.

How is that?

Please enlighten me. In which States are citizens still conscripted into militia service, and required to furnish their own individual weapons?

The laws are still there unless you can show me where they have ended them..

Previously answered.

Previously answered is not an answer, it is a dodge of a question.

SoCal. Why do you ask?

California has a mandatory back ground check even for private sales. If the seller sold it without a back ground check then he committed a crime. If he did, the back ground check failed.