Excellent! Stats on gun violence

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"Well regulated" applies to State militia units (not to the entire population). A militia was considered "well regulated" when it was properly organized and trained for military operations.

There was no requirement for the entire population to be organized and trained to conduct military operations, and citizens were not required to have militia training to purchase guns.

We have debated this with no resolve so let it go.

What I said is historical fact. If you're going to ignore it, and continue to hold on to the erroneous belief that the Second Amendment's stated need for a "well regulated" Militia means that the government can therefore regulate the purchase and possession of weapons by private citizens -- which is the same argument that the anti-gun crowd has long espoused -- then I don't know what to say.

Stan, committing a felony is giving up such rights...

Illogical statement. By definition, one cannot give up an unalienable right.

So felons, child predators, murders have no forfeiture of their rights of freedom, voting, gun ownership, choice of residence?? Yup, you are illogical.

unalienable adjective

chiefly US, formal : impossible to take away or give up

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unalienable

Definitely. When government approval and authorization is required to do something, it is not a right. It is a government-granted privilege.

So name one thing a free person can do that doesn't have a government regulation or punishment if it violates the law enacted by government??

Breathing?

What would happen if a State militia unit in the 18th Century was not properly organized, disciplined, and trained? I don't know. Perhaps the unit commander would've been replaced?

Exactly and the reason well regulated involves the 2ndA.

:confused: Huh?

Well I have always known you had a high regard of yourself and opinion.....

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for few public officials." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426) Must have forgotten that fact Stan.

No, I didn't forget it. What you (and others) fail to understand is that in the 18th Century, "the whole people" did not have the same meaning it has today. In Mason's time, "the whole people" did not mean the entire populace. It meant only adult white males. And that meaning was codified in the Second Militia Act of 1792.

What constituted a citizen back then has been rectified today.

Not relevant to a discussion about what the Founders' generation did.

And I never said the National Guard is the militia. I said the National Guard superseded the State militia system established by the Founders.

Yes and I proved in past debates the militia laws are still active and legal.

Please enlighten me. In which States are citizens still conscripted into militia service, and required to furnish their own individual weapons?

Even though the odds are almost zero this will happen, what is your solution Stan...??

Previously answered.

Where were you living then Stan??

SoCal. Why do you ask?