Excellent! Stats on gun violence

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"Well regulated" applies to State militia units (not to the entire population). A militia was considered "well regulated" when it was properly organized and trained for military operations.

There was no requirement for the entire population to be organized and trained to conduct military operations, and citizens were not required to have militia training to purchase guns.

We have debated this with no resolve so let it go.

Illogical statement. By definition, one cannot give up an unalienable right.

So felons, child predators, murders have no forfeiture of their rights of freedom, voting, gun ownership, choice of residence?? Yup, you are illogical.

Definitely. When government approval and authorization is required to do something, it is not a right. It is a government-granted privilege.

So name one thing a free person can do that doesn't have a government regulation or punishment if it violates the law enacted by government??

What would happen if a State militia unit in the 18th Century was not properly organized, disciplined, and trained? I don't know. Perhaps the unit commander would've been replaced?.

Exactly and the reason well regulated involves the 2ndA.

(a) I operate on facts, not belief, and (b) you're conflating a couple of different matters, as well as making a false claim about what I said.

Well I have always known you had a high regard of yourself and opinion.....

Fact: The "whole people" never was the militia. Even in the 18th Century, the militia was comprised only of those citizens who were expected to perform military service when called upon. Women were not expected to wage war and suppress rebellion. Neither were children. And the vast majority of black people were not even allowed to keep and bear arms. When the Bill of Rights was written, "the militia" was adult white males, not the whole people.

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for few public officials." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426) Must have forgotten that fact Stan. What constituted a citizen back then has been rectified today. We already had that discussion.

And I never said the National Guard is the militia. I said the National Guard superseded the State militia system established by the Founders.

Yes and I proved in past debates the militia laws are still active and legal. They have never been repealed.

Certainly not a major problem, but if you're serious about preventing mass shootings, I see no logic to intentionally leaving a source for nut jobs to get a gun..

Even though the odds are almost zero this will happen, what is your solution Stan since you are so against any back ground checks that would infringe on our gun rights??

I sold it to the gun shop I bought it from. They resold it to a guy, who resold it privately to the killer. Which demonstrates why, if you're going to advocate background checks, it should logically apply to private transactions as well as purchases from a store.

Where were you living then Stan?? Yes, monkeys do fall out of trees from time to time.