The M1 Carbine is the standard by which all PDWs are measured.

[SHORT-N-SASSY]

Re the 6.5mm Grendel vs 7.62x51mm NATO M80 Ball armor penetration at 1,000 meters, I too would appreciate the opportunity to review a definitive comparison test --- but, in all fairness to the 6.5mm Grendel, not only with the "We shoehorned a bigger cartridge into the gun" safe-for-the-AR-15 breech design loads, but including stout bolt-gun loads, as well ---


And, re my continuing efforts to get a major arms company to offer an alternative auto-loading 6.5mm Grendel rifle ---

< http://bullpupforum.com/index.php?topic=...1#msg39701 >


< http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthrea...post108080 >

I'd like to see one of these companies get it all together, by SHOT Show 2020.