hydrotech Wrote:hey guys, hope i dont get yelled at for this but, I dont have a grendel yet. i just have a 20 inch dpms AR15. I have been looking at getting a grendel or 6mm AR and now just read about the .243 LBC.
I read the .243 LBC uses grendel brass but you use a 6ppc die to neck it down not running it all the way through the die. Ok so i am new to reloading...sort of. I have loaded hundreds of .223 but i always full length size. as well as full length size my 7-08 and .243. i have never done just neck sizing. Being that i already have a nice supply of .243 bullets, one of these 6mm grendels would be more interesting than a 6.5.
so could someone explain exactly how you would use a 6ppc die to partially size a 6.5 grendel to .243 LBC?
what is the advantage of .243 LBC over 6mm AR? is it cheaper? how do they compare as far as velocity with the same bullets? Are there a lot of people that can make them? thanks guys.
First, welcome to the Grendel boards!
You actually have to do two steps, resize with Grendel dies, then resize the neck with PPC dies. There isn't a single step process die out there yet that I am aware of.
I think its a little funny that some of these guys are calling it a .243 LBC. They simply don't have the gumption to actually pay for the right way to do something and they want to distract from someone who has actually done the work and had proper dies made!
A gentleman name Robert Whitley came up with the cartridge years ago. Its called the 6mm AR, and he also developed a 6mmAR Turbo, with a different shoulder and shoulder angle. You CAN buy dies for the cartridge from him and learn a lot more about it on his site:
http://www.6mmar.com/
The .243 LBC is simply a rip off of his work, much like the .264 LBC, 6.5 CSS, 6.5 SAOD etc. are rip offs of Bill Alexanders work. People will say that they aren't, but if not, where is the 6.5 CSS ammo, or the 6.5 SAOD ammo? Yes, there is some .264 LBC ammo, one loading, available from ONE place. Where are the mags these guys developed for their "cartridges"?
Sorry, but I'm tired and and I'm more tired of people who steal ideas from others and then act like its new!
You seek escape from pain. We seek the achievement of happiness. You exist for the sake of avoiding punishment. We exist for the sake of earning rewards. Threats will not make us function; fear is not our incentive. It is not death that we wish to avoid, but life that we wish to live. - John Galt