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Florida has started Confication..Good!
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montana Wrote:This is where we will agree to disagree.
With what do you disagree?
Does the Second Amendment state that it is meant to counter government power?
Does the Second Amendment note any purpose for militias other than state security?
Doesn't the Constitution provide for calling out the militia to suppress insurrections?
Does either the Constitution or the Second Amendment say anything about using the militia to conduct insurrections?
If the Second Amendment was not meant to ensure that military small arms would be available to members of organized State militias, why does it have the militia clause?

montana Wrote:1. This is where the discussion between the religion of intelligent design or atheism occurs, which is not appropriate for this forum.
Intelligent design versus atheism is not relevant to the discussion. The issue is the unsubstantiated claim that rights come from God.

montana Wrote:Our founders did believe:We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their "Creator" with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Correction: That's what they said in a propaganda statement meant to try to ward off other European monarchies from allying with the British king in his effort to quell the American rebellion.

What the Founders actually believed was: that they had the right to invade a continent populated by other people, and kill any who resisted the invasion, depriving them of the supposed right to life; that they had the right to own, buy, and sell black people, depriving them of the supposed right to liberty; that white women were not intellectually equal to white men, as women were denied the right to vote in all states but one.

montana Wrote:They plainly expressed that all rights come from a creator,not the state as to be self-evident.
Yeah. They said those were "self-evident truths" just so that they wouldn't have to defend the claims. In actuality, the claims are not self-evident, and there is no proof that they are truths. If there were proof, you would be able to cite the document(s) written by God wherein he specifies what rights he gave us.

montana Wrote:2. I agree, but there are many other natural rights like the need for self defense, learning, understanding, discovery, family, caring, survival, etc.
You're conflating needs and wants with rights. As best I can tell, there is only the one "natural right" (and I'm not sure that "right" is the best term to describe it).


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Florida has started Confication..Good! - by Drift - 07-31-2018, 02:42 AM
Florida has started Confication..Good! - by stanc - 07-31-2018, 03:39 AM
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Florida has started Confication..Good! - by stanc - 08-02-2018, 12:57 AM
Florida has started Confication..Good! - by stanc - 08-02-2018, 03:28 AM
Florida has started Confication..Good! - by cory - 08-03-2018, 06:56 PM
Florida has started Confication..Good! - by stanc - 08-03-2018, 08:12 PM
Florida has started Confication..Good! - by cory - 08-04-2018, 02:35 PM
Florida has started Confication..Good! - by stanc - 08-04-2018, 04:59 PM
Florida has started Confication..Good! - by stanc - 08-04-2018, 07:47 PM
Florida has started Confication..Good! - by stanc - 08-04-2018, 08:34 PM
Florida has started Confication..Good! - by cory - 08-04-2018, 08:59 PM
Florida has started Confication..Good! - by stanc - 08-05-2018, 01:56 AM
Florida has started Confication..Good! - by stanc - 08-05-2018, 03:20 AM
Florida has started Confication..Good! - by stanc - 08-05-2018, 05:37 AM
Florida has started Confication..Good! - by stanc - 08-05-2018, 06:12 AM
Florida has started Confication..Good! - by stanc - 08-05-2018, 02:51 PM
Florida has started Confication..Good! - by cory - 08-05-2018, 04:51 PM
Florida has started Confication..Good! - by stanc - 08-05-2018, 04:58 PM
Florida has started Confication..Good! - by stanc - 08-05-2018, 05:14 PM
Florida has started Confication..Good! - by stanc - 08-05-2018, 05:23 PM
Florida has started Confication..Good! - by stanc - 08-05-2018, 08:34 PM
Florida has started Confication..Good! - by stanc - 08-05-2018, 11:39 PM
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Florida has started Confication..Good! - by stanc - 08-06-2018, 01:42 AM
Florida has started Confication..Good! - by Drift - 08-06-2018, 01:48 AM
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