07-06-2018, 11:42 PM
stanc Wrote:Both questions have been under discussion. There is the subject of a law mandating confiscation of specific types of firearms, and there is the more general topic of a tyrannical government. I was addressing a question by montana that seemed to cover both issues: "So I will ask you Stan, where would you draw the line to resist if you were able? When they confiscate our AR-15 type rifles, handguns, shot guns, homes, families, never?"
Fully understood. And what I'm saying is that, were the government system to become that bad, folks would need weapons a helluva lot more potent than the AR15.
Completely agree. However, in discussing the hypothetical of a "government gone bad," it seems logically necessary to assume military support of the government.
Stan:
Sorry old boy, have seen this technique of yours way too many times to fall for it. You are just trying to continue arguing for no reason at all but to argue.
Montana asked you 'where would you draw the line to resist if you were able?' Don't see an answer so it is 'logical to assume' you wouldn't fight. No problem because as I said, most don't. Of course you would be drawn into a civil war or revolution because they are brutally ugly and no one is allowed to be neutral.
And, your logic that 'we would need weapons more potent than the AR-15' doesn't hold water when it comes to civil war or an insurgency. Any weapon is of value for an insurgent and just because a oppressive government may equip its army and police with the most modern of weapons doesn't mean that a civilian version of those rifles are worthless. Or even a obsolete rifle like a Garand or M-1 Carbine for example. An insurgent doesn't fight a conventional fight and your logic is only intended to minimalize the value and thus the justification for American citizens to own such firearms as the AR-15.
And, no, your final statement about it being 'logical to assume' the US military would support a tyrannical US government in oppressing American citizens living in the USA, is not logical. Our Military vows to support and defend the Constitution first. And so far it has done so pretty well. Not all armies across the world are the same. Some have moral integrity. Ours is one of them, and has been for 200 + years. It is far more 'logical to assume' that our military would refuse an order to oppress and kill American citizens living in the USA
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