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I managed to get out Friday. Temps were warmer than expected, and so was the wind. When we were setting up, it was a 8-13mph wind. By the time we (The Girlfiriend, and the Youngest Daughter with their two Howas) got set up, briefed and started shooting. we were dealing with 10-20mph R-L winds with inverted gusts down to 10 (READ - mostly 20mph winds with 5-10 second drops down to 10).

The Lilja upper is slow, and hopefully will pick up speed as she gets broken in some more.

The ladies forgot to bring food for their rifles (2 hour drive) and I only brought a limited amount of Factory ammo for velocity testing. I pulled 3 rounds of Hornady 123 ELD and Hornandy American Gunner 123 HPBT for each rifle, and let the ladies have the rest.

Lilja -
MM = Moscow Match ammo - sight in rounds
ELD = Guess
HAG = Hornady American Gunner

[TABLE="width: 256"]
[TR]
[TD]AR - MM[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]18[/TD]
[TD] Shots:[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Min[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2464[/TD]
[TD] Max[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2478[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Avg[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2469[/TD]
[TD]S-D[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]ES[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Series[/TD]
[TD]Shot[/TD]
[TD]Speed[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]18[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2478[/TD]
[TD] ft/s[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]18[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2464[/TD]
[TD] ft/s[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]18[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2474[/TD]
[TD] ft/s[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]18[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2467[/TD]
[TD] ft/s[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]18[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2466[/TD]
[TD] ft/s[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]----[/TD]
[TD]----[/TD]
[TD]----[/TD]
[TD]----[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 2"]New AR HAG[/TD]
[TD] Shots:[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Min[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2435[/TD]
[TD] Max[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2470[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Avg[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2451[/TD]
[TD]S-D[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]17.5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]ES[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]35[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Series[/TD]
[TD]Shot[/TD]
[TD]Speed[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]19[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2470[/TD]
[TD] ft/s[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]19[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2450[/TD]
[TD] ft/s[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]19[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2435[/TD]
[TD] ft/s[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]----[/TD]
[TD]----[/TD]
[TD]----[/TD]
[TD]----[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 2"]New AR ELD[/TD]
[TD] Shots:[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Min[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2456[/TD]
[TD] Max[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2484[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Avg[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2473[/TD]
[TD]S-D[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]14.9[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]ES[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]28[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Series[/TD]
[TD]Shot[/TD]
[TD]Speed[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]20[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2484[/TD]
[TD] ft/s[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]20[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2479[/TD]
[TD] ft/s[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]20[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2456[/TD]
[TD] ft/s[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]----[/TD]
[TD]----[/TD]
[TD]----[/TD]
[TD]----[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Those velocities are the same that I get out of my 18" Barlitien. The C products mag that came with it gave me some FTFeed issues, so I switched over to one of my ASC mags. Had to keep bumping the gas block open, I would still get some short strokes.

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[TABLE="width: 256"]
[TR]
[TD="colspan: 2"]Howa MM[/TD]
[TD] Shots:[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Min[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2414[/TD]
[TD] Max[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2457[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Avg[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2434[/TD]
[TD]S-D[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]12.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]ES[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Series[/TD]
[TD]Shot[/TD]
[TD]Speed[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]21[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2440[/TD]
[TD] ft/s[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]21[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2425[/TD]
[TD] ft/s[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]21[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2428[/TD]
[TD] ft/s[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]21[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2414[/TD]
[TD] ft/s[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]21[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2431[/TD]
[TD] ft/s[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]21[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2431[/TD]
[TD] ft/s[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]21[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]7[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2449[/TD]
[TD] ft/s[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]21[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]8[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2429[/TD]
[TD] ft/s[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]21[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]9[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2440[/TD]
[TD] ft/s[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]21[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]10[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2457[/TD]
[TD] ft/s[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]----[/TD]
[TD]----[/TD]
[TD]----[/TD]
[TD]----[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Howa ELD[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]22[/TD]
[TD] Shots:[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Min[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2450[/TD]
[TD] Max[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2471[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Avg[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2458[/TD]
[TD]S-D[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]11[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]ES[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]21[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Series[/TD]
[TD]Shot[/TD]
[TD]Speed[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]22[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2450[/TD]
[TD] ft/s[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]22[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2455[/TD]
[TD] ft/s[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]22[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2471[/TD]
[TD] ft/s[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]----[/TD]
[TD]----[/TD]
[TD]----[/TD]
[TD]----[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Howa HAG[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]23[/TD]
[TD] Shots:[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Min[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2447[/TD]
[TD] Max[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2450[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Avg[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2448[/TD]
[TD]S-D[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]ES[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Series[/TD]
[TD]Shot[/TD]
[TD]Speed[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]23[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2450[/TD]
[TD] ft/s[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: right"]23[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]2447[/TD]
[TD] ft/s[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]----[/TD]
[TD]----[/TD]
[TD]----[/TD]
[TD]----[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

ETA - The trigger on this Howa was hideous. I don't know how old it is , came in a Green box, where as the new Horde came in Red boxes, but I'd swear it was heavier than my PSA LPK Trigger on my 16" middy. I did the trigger spring cut job on it, taking about 1.25 coils, and it is almost a touch light, but muuuuuuch better.

The 10 rounds of MM shots for sighters...I started out at 25y to make sure I was on paper with both, then moved out to 100 to get groups. Something weird with that Howa. Got myself to 1" low at 25 by the 3rd shot, then at 100, damned if I was not hitting 6 inches high. Left me scratching my head a bit, and took a few shots to figure out where I was hitting since I was off my target and onto my GFs target.

Both rifles shoot factory ammo under 1 inch. By the time I got to it, the high winds were messing with my 10mph target stands pretty bad, so I had a waving target.

I do know that the Howa seems to love my Moscow Match ammo. .7" group, 4 holes touching .4 and #5 bumping it out to .7. The Lilja AR, I seem to have lost my ability to shoot a gas gun consistently. I was barely able to keep the groups under an inch. I could print 3-4 really good, then the next one or two would hit 1" left or right, as well as the recoil follow though would change on those shots.

The ladies did really good too. The Youngest had her first time shooting 6.5 Grendel, bolt Action, and wind. She was shooting a round robin on one of my load testing targets (eight 2" diamonds on a grid) and was getting discouraged until we got home and I compiled all shots onto one target and it was about a .75 group with a few flyers (overall 1.5"). The mother had her second time with the bolt action and first time in wind, and printed 8 sub MOA groups.