In our last story...http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthrea...scow-Match
A fellow member here (Kswhitetails) contributed some bullets to the testing on his own dime.
All Hail Kswhitetails
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ETA -
Thank you HuntTxhogs for your testing and posting results.
The protocols that were used - Pull down a Wolf Steel Case 100gr, dump the powder, chamfer the neck, put the powder back in, seat to safe COAL. With the Pull/Push, I seated the same as the Wolf 100gr COAL. On the heavier pills, I seated to a save Ogive that I am running.
Please note - I was not having a good day, and should have stopped after my blind test (Hornady factory 123gr ELD Black - .465 MOA group on a cold clean bore). I was having a hell of a time getting a good final firing position, and had shot 10 rounds of 5, of my own load development prior to these. I had several awesome groups going, then pulled a "Stonhendge"
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Results -
[ATTACH=CONFIG]10980[/ATTACH]
[ATTACH=CONFIG]10981[/ATTACH]
*****NOTE****
The push pull on the factory Wolf load was probably pushing my luck safety wise using a different 100gr bullet, and only going to COAL, not Ogive, nevermind I'm stuffing a .264 pill back into a steel case that was holding a .2619 pill. I did not re-size these cases as I did in my initial testing to try to match case neck tension. Duplicate this at your own risk
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The larger SMK and Lapua were loaded on top of 29.4 grains of Wolf Powder, and were very unpleasant to shoot (very sharp recoil). If I were to do that again, or wanted to use those bullets, I would be sizing the necks, and doing a proper load workup.
I did not reset the chrono for the heavier pills in 5 round groups, and wish I had. I shot two different groups of the 123 Scenars to hope for a better group sample since the two 120's were ugly.
The first 5 of the 123 avg was 2471, An ES of 21, and SD of 8. The second 5 avg was 2491, an ES of 58 and SD of 22.
My testing has me convinced that it is worth the time and effort to stuff a quality pill back on top of the case and powder. Wolf Ammo - $0.24 per round delivered. Stuff a $.027 Hornady 123 grain back on top at the proper charge (load development), and you have a sub MOA steel cased round for $0.51 to $0.55 each, if you don't count your labor. Even stuffing a 95-100 grain back in without testing might be doable for good results - just play with the seating depth to see what your rifle likes. I don't know that I would go over 100gr on a different pill without proper load development.
What says the Horde?
A fellow member here (Kswhitetails) contributed some bullets to the testing on his own dime.
All Hail Kswhitetails
HAIL!
HAIL!
HAIL!
ETA -
HuntTXhogs Wrote:90 grain TNT test here:
http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthrea...der-charge
HuntTXhogs Wrote:100 grain Nosler Partition here :
http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthrea...der-charge
Thank you HuntTxhogs for your testing and posting results.
The protocols that were used - Pull down a Wolf Steel Case 100gr, dump the powder, chamfer the neck, put the powder back in, seat to safe COAL. With the Pull/Push, I seated the same as the Wolf 100gr COAL. On the heavier pills, I seated to a save Ogive that I am running.
Please note - I was not having a good day, and should have stopped after my blind test (Hornady factory 123gr ELD Black - .465 MOA group on a cold clean bore). I was having a hell of a time getting a good final firing position, and had shot 10 rounds of 5, of my own load development prior to these. I had several awesome groups going, then pulled a "Stonhendge"
. Results -
[ATTACH=CONFIG]10980[/ATTACH]
[ATTACH=CONFIG]10981[/ATTACH]
*****NOTE****
The push pull on the factory Wolf load was probably pushing my luck safety wise using a different 100gr bullet, and only going to COAL, not Ogive, nevermind I'm stuffing a .264 pill back into a steel case that was holding a .2619 pill. I did not re-size these cases as I did in my initial testing to try to match case neck tension. Duplicate this at your own risk
*************
The larger SMK and Lapua were loaded on top of 29.4 grains of Wolf Powder, and were very unpleasant to shoot (very sharp recoil). If I were to do that again, or wanted to use those bullets, I would be sizing the necks, and doing a proper load workup.
I did not reset the chrono for the heavier pills in 5 round groups, and wish I had. I shot two different groups of the 123 Scenars to hope for a better group sample since the two 120's were ugly.
The first 5 of the 123 avg was 2471, An ES of 21, and SD of 8. The second 5 avg was 2491, an ES of 58 and SD of 22.
My testing has me convinced that it is worth the time and effort to stuff a quality pill back on top of the case and powder. Wolf Ammo - $0.24 per round delivered. Stuff a $.027 Hornady 123 grain back on top at the proper charge (load development), and you have a sub MOA steel cased round for $0.51 to $0.55 each, if you don't count your labor. Even stuffing a 95-100 grain back in without testing might be doable for good results - just play with the seating depth to see what your rifle likes. I don't know that I would go over 100gr on a different pill without proper load development.
What says the Horde?
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