03-15-2017, 11:24 PM
The original question was about the military adopting a PDW for support troops.
I have an Israeli perspective.
I have never been in a support position, however I was in a position where I was issued a full sized M16 that I set up for urban sniping, a Colt Commando, mini Uzi and depending on the time frame a Hi Power and later a Glock.
I also own a micro Uzi in Israel.
In the IDF during my time the support weapon could have been a full sized Uzi in the old days, or today we are seeing Galils and M16 in the hands of support troops. A full sized M16 does not fit the idea of a PDW of most people here, but a lot of terrorist in Israeli cities have been killed by a full sized M16 in the hands of support troops travel between their duty station and home.
We operated in either uniform or in civilian clothing in a covert manor. When covert a lot of us would carry in a bag a mini Uzi and I would a lot of times do the same thing off duty with my micro Uzi.
I did have shootings off duty with the micro and was glad I had it plus a pistol with me.
I will note that the micro was used when I had to go to social events such as wedding or bar mitsvah, etc. I would carry it in a back pack and it went on the floor at my feet. Much better than sitting a Colt Commando on the floor at a social event.
When off duty I usually had the Colt commando with me and my pistol.
I remember talking with my good friend Eugene Sockut who was twice the Chief Shooting Instructor for the IDF and he had a habit of training support troops to really shoot. He told me they never complained about what gun they were issued and were very happy to be taught to shoot better.
In the civilian police they have used M1 Carbines and even micro Galils inthe same caliber. I remember hearing that with proper ammo the M1 carbine round has a good record over the military ball.
In closing we tried the P90 in a trial and that round was a joke. 9mm ball put terrorist down better.
So I think something like the B&T poly framed 9mm with proper training would be easy for the troops to carry and would do the job for 90% plus of what a support troop might need.
I have an Israeli perspective.
I have never been in a support position, however I was in a position where I was issued a full sized M16 that I set up for urban sniping, a Colt Commando, mini Uzi and depending on the time frame a Hi Power and later a Glock.
I also own a micro Uzi in Israel.
In the IDF during my time the support weapon could have been a full sized Uzi in the old days, or today we are seeing Galils and M16 in the hands of support troops. A full sized M16 does not fit the idea of a PDW of most people here, but a lot of terrorist in Israeli cities have been killed by a full sized M16 in the hands of support troops travel between their duty station and home.
We operated in either uniform or in civilian clothing in a covert manor. When covert a lot of us would carry in a bag a mini Uzi and I would a lot of times do the same thing off duty with my micro Uzi.
I did have shootings off duty with the micro and was glad I had it plus a pistol with me.
I will note that the micro was used when I had to go to social events such as wedding or bar mitsvah, etc. I would carry it in a back pack and it went on the floor at my feet. Much better than sitting a Colt Commando on the floor at a social event.
When off duty I usually had the Colt commando with me and my pistol.
I remember talking with my good friend Eugene Sockut who was twice the Chief Shooting Instructor for the IDF and he had a habit of training support troops to really shoot. He told me they never complained about what gun they were issued and were very happy to be taught to shoot better.
In the civilian police they have used M1 Carbines and even micro Galils inthe same caliber. I remember hearing that with proper ammo the M1 carbine round has a good record over the military ball.
In closing we tried the P90 in a trial and that round was a joke. 9mm ball put terrorist down better.
So I think something like the B&T poly framed 9mm with proper training would be easy for the troops to carry and would do the job for 90% plus of what a support troop might need.