Bullpup Lovers, a Sneak Peak at Something New

[Nukes]

A.U.G. (stupid software won't accept it in ALL CAPS)

Prone was never a problem with the 30rd mags, only with the 42 rd mags, but weak hand? fahgedaboudit.

[45r]

I'm think the Micro-Tavor looks like the best application for 9mm.

I like the micro model more than the Tavor 21.

I would like to have a MTAR(X95-L) with the 16.5 inch barrel in 556 or 65grendel.

[Nukes]

I cannot discern anything improved about the Tavor. In fact, when I handled one it seemed crude with sloppy worksmanship, several steps down from the AUG. Every AUG I have ever owned was about ¾ moa and all had great triggers (except for the selective fire hammer pack which had a full auto trigger pull of about 1 million pounds).

[montana]

I have an early msar "Aug" clone. It wouldn't function reliably so I returned it. They stood by their rifle and fixed it. Their early rifles were not timed correctly. It has run perfectly since. It is one of my favorite hiking guns since I carry it suppressed. Trigger pull is decent and I have no complaints.

I have not found a rifle that can be run as fast as the AR platform but the bullpup platform can have its place when compact ability ergonomics is needed. I only wish they would make it in the Grendel caliber.

I have never held a Tavor, thanks for the up date nukes.

[Nukes]

http://www.msarinc.com/products.html

[montana]

The thing that really bothers me about the Tavor, aside from the atrocious trigger, is the gas port location. It has so much dwell time, so they must have significant carrier mass and recoil spring strength in the gun.



It makes no sense to locate the gas port that close to the chamber with these barrel lengths, unless there is something to balance it out, but even still, that long barrel with such a short gas system length does not look well conceived. There are guys saying it has less recoil impulse than an AR15, while shooting Wolf through it, then other videos showing it recoiling very hard with brass-cased ammo, so I'll have to wring one out myself.

I did find their gas port location very unusual.

[Bigfoot]

If Kel-Tec makes a light bullpup with a LOP around 13 1/2" in 6.5G they will get my money.

[Bennybone]

if it is accurate people will buy it.

cut the sights and fabricate a rail for forward mounting of a red dot.

good texas truck gun in the makings and keltecs are usually decent cost unless it is priced like a 308 rfb....

bb

[waveslayer]

Geissele will have the trigger for Tavor half way through this year... but the Tavor in 6.5 Grendel would be interesting.

[Keep The Change]

Are ballistics of the Grendel apprpriate for CQB?
I know 308 is not a CQB round and not knowing energy numbers by memory would it be just about ideal. Between 556 & 308?
What type pill to use?

[Keep The Change]

Where is the ejection port on this thing? Can't tell on my phone

[explorecaves]

Where is the ejection port on this thing? Can't tell on my phone

Probably behind the mag straight down...

[babue]

Bullpups are the way to go, but, in my opinion, they will be viable when reliable tubular, helical-feed mags for assault rifle cartridges are available, that feed from the buttstock or such, and then ejection should be out the bottom. Isn't there a Russian Bizon SMG, as an example, even though it feeds from the foregrip?

I only say that because I'm guessing that box magazines in a bullpup make the prone clumsy, but I'm not sure.

John

Prone with an FS2000 and a 30 round mag is great. The shape of the FS stock will let it sit flat on the ground and with a vertical grip I can use my hand as a mono pod base. Pull it tight into the shoulder and you have a very solid platform, better than I could ever get with an AR. For me it is better than adding a bipod to the front.
As far as the forward ejection on the FS, in thousands of rounds and several classes, there has never been a problem with that
part or for that matter the whole rifle. AUG's and FS2000's are Tier 1 rifles, which can not be said for a lot of AR's that are floating around.
Bullpups are an acquired taste, if you have never spent time running one you probably will not care for them after just a short try out. The more you run one the more you can appreciate the advantages. My AR's just sit in the safe. The only one to get used will be a Grendel. My next Grendel will now be an 18" or 20", more a DMR rifle and not anything for CQB.

[Ridgerider]

One ugly looking gun

[NugginFutz]

Probably behind the mag straight down...

If so, you can use your shirt or jacket's breast pocket as a brass catcher. (Ouch!)

[montana]

Where is the ejection port on this thing? Can't tell on my phone

They eject out the front, they are actually very good rifles but are made in small numbers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9Xqa2vwq60

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqiC9bz01Gk

[explorecaves]

If so, you can use your shirt or jacket's breast pocket as a brass catcher. (Ouch!)

Don't knock it till you try it…. I hear some people enjoy a little pain with their pleasure...

[Keep The Change]

They eject out the front, they are actually very good rifles but are made in small numbers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9Xqa2vwq60

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqiC9bz01Gk

I see. Is it a similar set up as FS2000

[LRRPF52]

There have been malfs experienced with the FS2000, like any other weapon. Its extraction system is the weak link, so clearing malfs is a different action altogether, requiring exploration through the "mouse trap" if immediate action doesn't solve the problem. The thing I like most about the FN2000 is the integrated systems approach, and it lays out really well with underslung grenade launcher, conformal optical sight, and when introduced, it incorporated one of the features of the Singapore SAR-21.

[montana]

I see. Is it a similar set up as FS2000

I'm not that familiar with the FS2000, I only shot it once at a firearm show at our rifle range where you could shoot hundreds of different types of firearms brought in by the manufactures and dealers. It shot nice but felt cluby to me compared to the Aug type rifle I own or the Kel -Tec RFB. I have heard of both good and bad about the Kel-Tec RFB but a member at our range owns one and loves it. It has functioned perfectly every time he brings it out. The FN2000 does eject out the front like the KEL-TEC but I never got to look into the action. If any one wishes to give me one I would be more than happy to test it and give a full review.