Off-Duty British Soldier Ran Over, then Beheaded by 2 Islamic Radicals in London

[Nukes]

@ Von Gruff

You're right that this necessarily touches on theology. If I had lots of time, I'd suggest a Theology for Gunnies forum :-)

What a free-for-all it would be. [laughing]

[Nukes]

Nukes, perhaps you might connect your anti-Zionist dissertation with the topic of this thread, or start a new thread. I'm having some difficulties in avoiding the "screediness" impression it's giving off. Several of the points you make have been addressed in various places, but bringing that all in here seems... I dunno... off topic?

At this point, I regret asking you to clarify. I had no idea of the floodgate I was opening.

You asked [laughing].

The official connection to the thread is: all genocidal Master Race creeds engage in terrorist atrocities and are equally damnable, even the creeds whose believers pretend they are always innocent victims and never perpetrators.

I am happy to let it drop unless any terrorist exceptionalism apologists remain standing. Who is more dangerous to the world? A maniac with a cleaver? Or a maniac with banks and nukes?

P.S. I am still amused by your mention months ago of "ammo fort." That really tickled my funny bone. Was that your original? I had never seen it before and it is soooo apropos.

[BjornF16]

You asked [laughing].

The official connection to the thread is: all genocidal Master Race creeds engage in terrorist atrocities and are equally damnable, even the creeds whose believers pretend they are always innocent victims and never perpetrators.

I am happy to let it drop unless any terrorist exceptionalism apologists remain standing. Who is more dangerous to the world? A maniac with a cleaver? Or a maniac with banks and nukes?

No terrorist exceptionalism apologists here…but apparently some anti-semites. I like the other mib's suggestion…different thread (preferably on a different board).

[Nukes]

As if the ritual epithet trumps all evidence? Good luck with that. Hard evidence has made the ritual curse lose its magic power, but keep hoping. [laughing]

[TheOTHERmaninblack]

I am getting to be an old guy. I say that to preface the next statement. It is amazing what passes and has passed for hard evidence over the years. The history I watched when it wasn't yet history doesn't really match the history I read about describing what I was there for. All with hard proof, of course.

All you really need to know about hard evidence is to interview two people who JUST SAW a traffic accident about what happened. Gives a whole new perspective on history.

[montana]

I am getting to be an old guy. I say that to preface the next statement. It is amazing what passes and has passed for hard evidence over the years. The history I watched when it wasn't yet history doesn't really match the history I read about describing what I was there for. All with hard proof, of course.

All you really need to know about hard evidence is to interview two people who JUST SAW a traffic accident about what happened. Gives a whole new perspective on history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4XT-l-_3y0 :}

[BjornF16]

Getting back to the topic of this thread…as reported by The Independent in UK:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cri...30125.html

The cleric Omar Bakri Mohammed has been secretly filmed stating that decapitation of the enemies of Islam was permitted. Today, in comments met with outrage, he told The Independent that he could understand the feeling of rage that had motivated the attackers and that what they had done could be justified under certain interpretations of Islam.

[Nukes]

Since the thread is about beheading...

Christian "idolaters" are liable for execution by beheading under halacha, Torah Law. The Jewish Encyclopedia affirms that the punishment for Christian "idolatry" is beheading. See:
"Laws, Noachian," Jewish Encyclopedia entry

"... a gentile who worships false gods is liable, [for the death penalty] provided he worships them in the accepted manner. A gentile is executed for every type of foreign worship which a Jewish court would consider worthy of capital punishment." Maimonides, Hilchot Melachim XI, Mishneh Torah

[BjornF16]

Symptoms of NPD, as defined by the DSM-IV-TR, include:[1]
- Takes advantage of others to reach own goals
- Expects to be recognized as superior and special, without superior accomplishments
- Expects constant attention, admiration and positive reinforcement from others
- Envies others and believes others envy him/her
- Is preoccupied with thoughts and fantasies of great success, enormous attractiveness, power, intelligence
- Lacks the ability to empathize with the feelings or desires of others
- Is arrogant in attitudes and behavior
- Has expectations of special treatment that are unrealistic

[BjornF16]

Since the thread is about beheading...

This thread is not about "beheading"…it is about "Off-Duty British Soldier Ran Over, then Beheaded by 2 Islamic Radicals in London"…take your garbage elsewhere.

[LRRPF52]

Are the Jews also beheading gentiles for worshiping Christ nowadays? Why are we talking about Jews beheading Christians when two mohamedans were just filmed literally red-handed after beheading a British Soldier?

That's called thread-hijacking if I ever saw it. No, I don't subscribe to the blind belief that the remnants of the Tribe of Judah who have returned to the Land of Palestine are to be worshiped, but I also know that like Ishmael, they are not to be judged by me.

Whether a zionist or mohamedan wants to behead me, the 2A stands as another protection that we only enjoy in the US, where most States recognize our right of self-protection. I'll keep my eyes peeled for either.

[BjornF16]

Maybe an agent of Egypt?…

http://www.wnd.com/2005/05/30283/

Egypt’s state-run media the past few weeks has published a series of anti-Semitic and anti-Israel articles, and recently released a best-selling book claiming Jewish tradition requires the killing of gentiles, WND has learned.

It is interesting to note that the Brits are basically neutered from self-defense, much less defending another. Brits can't carry: locking blade knives, knives greater than 3" long, mace, pepper spray, baton, and of course, guns.

[LRRPF52]

Good thing I'm not a gentile. There is Israelite blood from other tribes than Judah, and we don't behead people or murder children.

[Trooper]

Good thing I'm not a gentile. There is Israelite blood from other tribes than Judah, and we don't behead people or murder children.

There is a school of thought within Judaism that those of the northern tribes, ie the House of Ephraim, migrated to the north and west when Assyria was defeated by the Babylonians. Much of the northern tribes became the Celtic peoples. But then it is also taught that descendants of Essua (Edom) also were pushed out of the middle east at that time. They became what we now call the Italian and Germanic peoples.

Given that much of the Muslim world are descendants of the other six sons of Abraham, it has been calculated that 3/5ths of the world's population are now descendants of Abraham. http://www.britam.org/

BTW, there have been perversions of this with Anglo-Israelism and Gardner Ted Amstrong. They took what the rabbis have been researching and twisted it.

In the end much of these fights are merely one branch of the family fighting another branch.

[TheOTHERmaninblack]

Maybe an agent of Egypt?…

http://www.wnd.com/2005/05/30283/


It is interesting to note that the Brits are basically neutered from self-defense, much less defending another. Brits can't carry: locking blade knives, knives greater than 3" long, mace, pepper spray, baton, and of course, guns.

Did I not read in the last year or so that London is outlawing glass pint mugs because they can be used as weapons?

[BjornF16]

Did I not read in the last year or so that London is outlawing glass pint mugs because they can be used as weapons?

You are correct Sir!…and you have a very good memory (I had completely forgotten this):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8217775.stm

Plans to replace the traditional pint glass with one made of shatter-proof plastic will not be accepted by drinkers, the pub industry has warned.

The Home Office has commissioned a new design, in an attempt to stop glasses being used as weapons.

Official figures show 5,500 people are attacked with glasses and bottles every year in England and Wales.

[montana]

Who gives a rat's @#$ where anyone comes from , EVIL IS EVIL. If you have two Muslim nut cases hacking to death a British soldier on the streets of London, Mexican criminals hacking off heads in our southern states, Israeli soldiers shooting Palestinian kids , American drones killing 50 innocent people when targeting only one person or targeting an aspirin factory to re direct attention from a sex scandal , it is all EVIL period. Abuse of power and justified torture is not OK by any name or reason. The nation of England is going to be our future if we don't stand together and protect our freedoms. People should have a right to believe in any thing they wish. If you wish to hate Muslims , Jews, blacks , Catholics , or what ever that is your right. But if you act on it then that is where you cross the line. I don't see the Muslims as the problem in England, I see a government and apathetic population that created a society where the ability and right to defend one's self is not only discouraged but outlawed. This is the true threat to our country and freedoms, not religions...........THE END.

[BjornF16]

I don't see the Muslims as the problem in England, I see a government and apathetic population that created a society where the ability and right to defend one's self is not only discouraged but outlawed.

MT, that's pretty much the gist of what I was pointing out (when the thread stayed on topic)…having lived/worked in the UK, I saw firsthand their freedoms eroding to the point where they are at now…emasculated/neutered (pick your adjective).

They can't defend themselves; they can't defend others…they are dependent upon "bobbies" who, in this case, took 20 minutes to show up. So much for all the police cameras that are on every corner in London (and most other UK cities/towns).

You're absolutely correct…there are those "elites" in America who want this to be our future…

However, you may be wrong about part of the problem:

http://rt.com/news/stockholm-violence-ou...fires-671/

“The problem is not from the Swedish government or from the Swedish people,” the editor in chief of Dispatch International said. “The last 20 years or so, we have seen so many immigrants coming to Sweden that really don’t like Sweden. They do not want to integrate, they do not want to live in [Swedish] society: Working, paying taxes and so on.”

“The people come here now because they know that Sweden will give them money for nothing. They don’t have to work, they don’t have to pay taxes – they can just stay here and get a lot of money. That is really a problem,” Carlqvist added.

[montana]

How about deporting their sorry asses. The problem is the refusal of western nations to protect their culture and allowing the people to enforce it. What do you think would have happened to these Muslims 100 years ago in these nations? They would have assimilated or suffered the consequences. They should have been arrested, forced to clean up their mess, and compensate the property owners for their financial loss. If they refuse deport them after they work it off in a work camp. If they sneak back into their nation and are caught they get executed. Why are they allowing so many anti Swede immigrants into their nation in the first place? This is the insanity that I'm talking about. It is like a bank leaving the door's and vault opened at night because they don't want people to think the bank doesn't trust people and then is shocked when the vault is empty the next day. Do you blame the thieves only or the banks management? Crazy.

[Nukes]

Who gives a rat's @#$ where anyone comes from , EVIL IS EVIL. If you have two Muslim nut cases hacking to death a British soldier on the streets of London, Mexican criminals hacking off heads in our southern states, Israeli soldiers shooting Palestinian kids , American drones killing 50 innocent people when targeting only one person or targeting an aspirin factory to re direct attention from a sex scandal , it is all EVIL period. ...

Well stated! 100% agreed. One standard, no hypocrisy.

...In the end much of these fights are merely one branch of the family fighting another branch.

Indeed! ...and noting the family of mankind doesn't make us globalists, but humanitarians.

As you say there are "schools of thought" that are obsessed with race and origin. The results of genetics research (usually on mitochondrial DNA because it is maternal, hence important to those obsessed with maternal lineage) are at the same time amusing and sad. Amusing because the research often contradicts the claimed origins and dubious land titles born of shoddy exegesis. Sad because, notwithstanding the research and oneness of mankind, there is still racial conceit and race hatred that leads to beheadings, snipings of children, other equally immoral and heinous terrorism, and wars of such horror that decent minds recoil in disgust at the carnage.

Race and origin are not of anyone's own choosing, hence not at all matters of free will, so impute no culpability.

On the other hand, belief and behavior are entirely of one's own choosing, distinctly a matter of free will, and do incur culpability.

Family fighting family—horrifying and evil.