Boston Bombing

[cory]

DJ:

So, do you think that no AR was used? Or that no handgun was used? Or that both were used?

Given the number of people who witnessed the incident, and the number of people involved in the investigation, it would be impossible for the US Government to alter evidence or coerce the witnesses to the extent that every one of them, to include every single LEA who was there, would say the same story to this day. One of those people would have blown the whistle on any cover up or tampering with evidence.

The information age has made it harder for a government in a fee society to bullshit its population.

LR1955

Impossible how exactly do you come to that conclusion? The impossible has been done many times in history and will be done many more times in the future, I hope.

LR1955 you assume that one of the LEOs would of blown the whistle. While I'd like for your assumption to be true, there's nothing to back it up.

You also assume that all the LEOs knew exactly what was going on. In that large chaotic scene what percentage of the LEOs do you assume had a big picture view of the situation? I'm not sure how LEOs operate, but I'm assuming it's similar to military in that orders where issued and the individual LEOs followed those orders and performed their duties to the best of their abilities.

What I'm getting at is that I'm assuming only a handful of LEOs know exactly what happened that day. In a sector of our society that doesn't belief in the 2nd Amendment, what do you think the priority of those LEOs is to spread the truth to the American people or to protect their families rather it be physically or just protecting what little bit of normalcy they've found in their lives since the tragedy?

DJ:

So, you don't believe those kids were killed by the perp using guns. Despite all of the witnesses.

Then, what killed those people?

LR1955

After reviewing hours of video footage from that day and combining that with the sealing of the evidence in what should of been an open and shut case, I believe, I'm sorry, I know something isn't what it seems and we're being lied to. What they're lying about I don't know for sure.

I will guarantee you this, best case scenario in an effort to push their attacks on the 2nd Amendment actors were hired to portray parents who had lost their kids in that tragedy.


Does anyone recall a post on the forum from a member talking about running into a politician at a local shop buying reloading tools? They had mention the politician had said something along the lines of watch for an attack on the ability to reload. I'm not making any accusations at this point. However; if it comes out that reloading powder was responsible for these bombs and the washington begins an attack on reloading supplies. :/ Again it's way to early to make any conspiracy accusations and there's no evidence of any conspiracy at this time.

That being said I wouldn't put anything past the libtards and the leadership of this country.

Right now as it stands, in my opinion this was a terrorist attack committed by a cell that had been in place for some time. A last minute green light was given when a target of opportunity was realized. If that was a case this was a direct result from our reaction to Benghazi and the offer attacks that day.

My prayers go out to all those affected by this attack!

[davidj]

Dave:

Thanks -- you finally made it clear.

One guy using guns killed those people.

No argument from me on that. The other stuff? Maybe. You give the Government way too much credit for being able to pull off something without screwing it up.

LR55

The biggest mistakes on earth were those of underestimating the powers and abilities of the U.S. Government.

[Nukes]

Nukes:

I read the article. I have no clue what this guys point was. I think he had problems choosing which voice he wanted to believe.

Maybe you can state his theme in one, clearly written sentence?

LR1955

The US government and "our best ally in the Middle East" have long traditions of manufacturing false flag events to obtain more power and money.

[LR1955]

Impossible how exactly do you come to that conclusion? The impossible has been done many times in history and will be done many more times in the future, I hope.

LR1955 you assume that one of the LEOs would of blown the whistle. While I'd like for your assumption to be true, there's nothing to back it up.

You also assume that all the LEOs knew exactly what was going on. In that large chaotic scene what percentage of the LEOs do you assume had a big picture view of the situation? I'm not sure how LEOs operate, but I'm assuming it's similar to military in that orders where issued and the individual LEOs followed those orders and performed their duties to the best of their abilities.

What I'm getting at is that I'm assuming only a handful of LEOs know exactly what happened that day. In a sector of our society that doesn't belief in the 2nd Amendment, what do you think the priority of those LEOs is to spread the truth to the American people or to protect their families rather it be physically or just protecting what little bit of normalcy they've found in their lives since the tragedy?



After reviewing hours of video footage from that day and combining that with the sealing of the evidence in what should of been an open and shut case, I believe, I'm sorry, I know something isn't what it seems and we're being lied to. What they're lying about I don't know for sure.

I will guarantee you this, best case scenario in an effort to push their attacks on the 2nd Amendment actors were hired to portray parents who had lost their kids in that tragedy.


Does anyone recall a post on the forum from a member talking about running into a politician at a local shop buying reloading tools? They had mention the politician had said something along the lines of watch for an attack on the ability to reload. I'm not making any accusations at this point. However; if it comes out that reloading powder was responsible for these bombs and the washington begins an attack on reloading supplies. :/ Again it's way to early to make any conspiracy accusations and there's no evidence of any conspiracy at this time.

That being said I wouldn't put anything past the libtards and the leadership of this country.

Right now as it stands, in my opinion this was a terrorist attack committed by a cell that had been in place for some time. A last minute green light was given when a target of opportunity was realized. If that was a case this was a direct result from our reaction to Benghazi and the offer attacks that day.

My prayers go out to all those affected by this attack!

Cory:

Aren't you also making an assumption that someone in the investigation would not blow the whistle if something was being concocted by the government? Or, an assumption that guys who are in law enforcement obey their orders without moral scruples? Another assumption you are making is that all of the LEA guys involved in the Newton thing are anti-gun and all would willingly lie or deceive in the investigation to lend credence to more anti-gun legislation. That stuff is way too complicated to ensure success of a cover up or conspiracy. Too many variables for it to succeed.

You claim we are being lied to. Therefore you must have some ideas or notions about the lies. What are they?

As for actors portraying parents. Of all the things that are the easiest to disprove, it would be someone getting on TV lying about being a parent of one of the kids that was killed. The left doesn't need that type of lie to succeed in banning guns so why risk their credibility?

I am not sure who did the bombing at the Marathon. It has all the hallmarks of Islamic jihadists as it killed innocent people and terrorists want to inflict terror on the public, not necessarily the government. However, it also has the markings of anarchists (both left and right) as it is on tax and Patriots day.

Either way, a huge group of people in a public place that stretches for 26 miles is an ideal target.

I believe this was a deliberate, well planned, and well executed operation. Too many things happened well for it to be fly by night 'Allah Willing' type of thing. The bombers got through the cordons, placed the bombs without being seen, and then detonated them in a coordinated effort. And, most telling is that the bombs actually went off, and did so with enough force to kill and savagely maim people.

This was no target of opportunity from my perspective.

LR1955

[bwaites]

Since this is a thread on the Boston bombing, I hope we can leave the Sandy Hook situation behind. There are significant questions to that investigation that I can think of:

1) Why no data linking a specific weapon to bullets from the scene?
2) What happened to the second suspect in the woods?
3) There were no living witnesses that saw the shooter actually do the shooting. All we have is post facto witnesses to the carnage.
4) Early reports said that it was pistols used, then it was changed much later to an AR.
5) Reports said an AR was found in the vehicle, and there are photos of a rifle being removed from his vehicle.
6) Local officers were rapidly excluded from evidence gathering by Federal officials, so it does stand to reason that they may know nothing more than what they are being told to report.

There are plenty of other questions about this shooting that don't add 2 + 2 =4 in my understanding, but I'm hoping that is simply because they are making sure they dot all their I's and cross all their T's. It WAS a chaotic scene by all accounts!

All of that said, there is much to be concerned with in this investigation.

BUT....This thread is about Boston, and so lets keep it that way, please. If someone wants to start a Sandy Hook thread and present evidence and links, please do so.

The same goes for thoughts and information here.

[LRRPF52]

A dark-skinned male has been identified in footage showing a perpetrator dropping off a black bag in one of the locations where one of the bombs detonated.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/17/cn...nce-video/

CNN Correspondent John King, a Boston native, said authorities have a clear video image of a “dark-skinned male” placing a bag at the second bomb site outside of the Forum restaurant on Boylston Street and then leaving the area before that explosion.

[carbontetrachloride]

Cui bono? Who benefits from this attack? Mostly the ever expanding police state.

[davidj]

Developing news:
An arrest has been made.

Correction:
Broken news! No arrest has ben made.
Sorry bout that!

[cory]

Cory:

Aren't you also making an assumption that someone in the investigation would not blow the whistle if something was being concocted by the government? Or, an assumption that guys who are in law enforcement obey their orders without moral scruples? Another assumption you are making is that all of the LEA guys involved in the Newton thing are anti-gun and all would willingly lie or deceive in the investigation to lend credence to more anti-gun legislation. That stuff is way too complicated to ensure success of a cover up or conspiracy. Too many variables for it to succeed.
I'm making the assumption that it's possible. How many times in history has organized crime infiltrated the local PD? That conspiracy has happened many times in our history. If that conspiracy is very possible, then why is it not possible in Newtown?

You claim we are being lied to. Therefore you must have some ideas or notions about the lies. What are they?
[COLOR="red"]I could get into this but the fact is I could present you all the facts in the world and not persuade you. The only thing that will convince you is allowing you to go find the truth for yourself. I would only suggest you look at the facts from a big picture perspective and not quarantine them to the individual incident.
And more importantly Bwaites is correct, we've highjacked this thread enough and need to get to the issue at hand the Boston attack.[/COLOR]

As for actors portraying parents. Of all the things that are the easiest to disprove, it would be someone getting on TV lying about being a parent of one of the kids that was killed. The left doesn't need that type of lie to succeed in banning guns so why risk their credibility?

I am not sure who did the bombing at the Marathon. It has all the hallmarks of Islamic jihadists as it killed innocent people and terrorists want to inflict terror on the public, not necessarily the government. However, it also has the markings of anarchists (both left and right) as it is on tax and Patriots day.
I completely agree.

Either way, a huge group of people in a public place that stretches for 26 miles is an ideal target.

I believe this was a deliberate, well planned, and well executed operation. Too many things happened well for it to be fly by night 'Allah Willing' type of thing. The bombers got through the cordons, placed the bombs without being seen, and then detonated them in a coordinated effort. And, most telling is that the bombs actually went off, and did so with enough force to kill and savagely maim people.

This was no target of opportunity from my perspective.
[COLOR="red"]Too many things did happen well, unfortunately. However, it could of been much worse. Multiple bombs that were planted never went off, Thank God! The bombs that were made, while effective, they were relatively poorly constructed. They seemed to have been construct in a hasty manner using materials that were easy to acquire in a short amount of time. That's why I believe it was target of opportunity attack. I do believe if it was a cell planted in boston they would have planned multiple attacks in detail, but only on paper. The individuals would could of had full understanding of what would need to be done well in advance. I'm suggesting they were given the green light to proceed with a short window to prepare.
These IEDs had all the markings of an IED used in Iraq and Afghanistan, which were Engineered and funded by Iran. If this was a jihadist attack IMO Iran was the key player. However, it'll be a trail a mile long that'll be needed to link them.[/COLOR]

LR1955

I hope you don't mind, but I chose to write my response in your quote. I wrote in red to mark it.

[Nukes]

To me this is one of the more interesting observations about the Boston Marathon Bombing, what we did not notice!

"...Add to all of this the quiet repeal of the immediate disclosure portions of the STOCK act here in America a few days ago. That's right -- while America was watching people get their legs blown off in Boston our Congress made "sorta legal" once again insider trading by.... Congress. The "debate" over this change took a literal 10 seconds in the Senate and a whole 14 in the House. Neither chamber bothered with debate at all; it was passed by unanimous consent in both chambers...."

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=219866

[Nukes]

The fox is coming to investigate the henhouse:
http://rt.com/usa/police-israel-investig...oston-009/

and other distractions:
http://rt.com/usa/letter-obama-suspiciou...tance-013/

[Deer Hunter]

Dave:

So, you do not believe the nut job at Newton killed those kids with a firearm?

Or, you don't believe he was the only guy who pulled the trigger?

LR1955

I think Davidj like the rest of us would like to know the truth and I dont think that authorities have been entirely truthful in this tragic event.

[TheOTHERmaninblack]

Was just watching FauxNews , where they mentioned something to the effect that the marathon was honoring the victims of the Newtown shooting. It's not completely inconceivable that a pro-gun radical might have targeted the race to demonstrate that banning AR15s and large-capacity magazines won't prevent mass murder. If that was indeed the purpose, the target makes perfect sense, especially since the event is televised.

Now that's quite a stretch. It would require not only a gun rights terrorist, but a loony one as well. Might as well say that the JFK library was targeted because his murder helped to usher in the 1968 gun control act.

I suppose that it IS possible, but, man, that connection is thin!

[Kikn]

I'm just waiting for the ban on sugar for it's potential to extract glycerin

[stanc]

Now that's quite a stretch. It would require not only a gun rights terrorist, but a loony one as well.

I suppose that it IS possible, but, man, that connection is thin!

Perhaps. But we do know that in the last few decades there have been hundreds of innocent men, women, and children murdered and maimed in mass shootings by loony gun owners.

Why would it be any loonier for such an individual to decide to use a bomb instead of a gun?

[BjornF16]

The fox is coming to investigate the henhouse:
http://rt.com/usa/police-israel-investig...oston-009/

You've been asked before...keep your anti-Israeli comments to yourself.

[Deer Hunter]

Now that's quite a stretch. It would require not only a gun rights terrorist, but a loony one as well. Might as well say that the JFK library was targeted because his murder helped to usher in the 1968 gun control act.

I suppose that it IS possible, but, man, that connection is thin!

Thin? Id say anorexic however, the Lamestream media would run with that premise gleefully.

[Trooper]

Why would a right wing extremist bomb a marathon? A deep hatred for cardiovascular fitness???

I'd expect a right winger to go after a far more symbolic target than that.

It fits the Jihaddi MO much better in my opinion. Just my .02 though. I'm not up there.

The thing is that this bombing fits both a domestic terrorist model as well as an international model.

[Trooper]

CNN's already said it might be right wing extremist. We're at War with the World and these pricks are already pointing their fingers at Americans, specifically we Gun Owners and Christians. SOB's. Have you seen all the DHS bomb proof SUV's? They'll be moving them shortly into a neighborhhod near you.

Left is hoping that the Boston Bomber is a white male

It fits their agenda. It makes them feel better about themselves when they look at you and say how much smarter they are. That what they believe makes them a superior human being.
http://www.salon.com/2013/04/16/lets_hop..._american/
http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/16/actor-...t-must-go/

It would be funny if the individual(s) finally arrested are 1) white, 2) male, 3) converted to Islam, and 4) heavily involved in democrat party politics.....

[Deer Hunter]

Left is hoping that the Boston Bomber is a white male

It fits their agenda. It makes them feel better about themselves when they look at you and say how much smarter they are. That what they believe makes them a superior human being.
http://www.salon.com/2013/04/16/lets_hop..._american/
http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/16/actor-...t-must-go/

It would be funny if the individual(s) finally arrested are 1) white, 2) male, 3) converted to Islam, and 4) heavily involved in democrat party politics.....

If only thats the case.