Boston Bombing

[davidj]

OK Guys,another tragedy For New England. How long is it going to take for the blame to be focused on the ultra right gun culture. I hate to be such a cynic but I can't help thinking that the libs are already getting sexually excited about another way to stir up votes to ban us all.

[Grendel-Gene]

Not a single 223 ( or Lord forbid Grendel ) case was found near the bombing sight... nor were there any high cap mags spotted anywhere nearby either; AND IN FACT obama didnt even leave his golf game.... So we are probably ok... for now.

[hm2 clark]

A unprovoked attack on one of the most liberal leaning areas in the country! Thank God there was no similar attacks apon Berkley!

[Deer Hunter]

CNN's already said it might be right wing extremist. We're at War with the World and these pricks are already pointing their fingers at Americans, specifically we Gun Owners and Christians. SOB's. Have you seen all the DHS bomb proof SUV's? They'll be moving them shortly into a neighborhhod near you.

[BjornF16]

How long is it going to take for the blame to be focused on the ultra right gun culture.

5 seconds...

[nboost]

They will be trying to ban gun powder now.

[Michael]

They will be trying to ban gun powder now.

Don't matter...Tim McVeigh didn't use any gun powder. Iraqis and Afghanis don't always use gunpowder. It would be like outlawing sodas 'cause they're fattening.....Oh, wait.....S#!T!!!!

[stanc]

CNN's already said it might be right wing extremist. We're at War with the World and these pricks are already pointing their fingers at Americans...

IMO, it probably was right wing extremist. Remember, Oklahoma City was also done by an American, and on the anniversary of the Waco massacre. April 19th is only four days away...

[LRRPF52]

IMO, it probably was right wing extremist. Remember, Oklahoma City was also done by an American, and on the anniversary of the Waco massacre. April 19th is only four days away...

McVeigh didn't do the OKC bombing, and he wasn't a right wing extremist. That is one of the most dastardly myths perpetrated by the Clinton Administration and their stooges in the Apparatchik Press. I've spent a significant portion of my life studying the OKC bombing, and nothing was accurately reported on it. A lot of the more reputable information comes from the Congressional office on Counter Terrorism and UW, the investigative work of Jayna Davis, and the blast analysis of the device used, which also isn't what was reported.

There is a lot of disinformation that was put out shortly after the OKC bombing, with conspiracy theories leading people to look into white supremacist movements, Germans, and other bogeymen, all supporting the idea that McVeigh was one of those types...all of it BS. McVeigh had openly bragged to his mates in Basic Training that the reason why he joined the Army was so he could get into SF, get some good training, then go work for Middle Easterners as a mercenary because they paid the most. He was a Bradley gunner, who eventually was promoted to Sergeant, and participated in the Gulf War, earning the Bronze Star.

He went to SFAS after the Gulf War, and quit within the 1st week. The info I have is that he couldn't hack the information deprivation environment, while other less reputable sources state that he quit after his psychological profile was deemed too unstable. Anyone who has been through SFAS knows that you aren't seen again at Camp McCall if your psychological profile is unstable.

About his involvement in the OKC bombing, here's an interesting tidbit:

McVeigh was interviewed by CBS reporter Ed Bradley for a 60 Minutes segment. McVeigh set only one condition for the interview: that Bradley not ask him whether he bombed the Murrah Federal Building. CBS does not air the entire interview, but runs selected excerpts interspersed with comments from others, including family members of the bombing victims.

http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp..._bradley_1

Once you realize the nature of the device that the conspirators used on the OKC bombing (and you won't find many people willing to discuss it for reasons that become obvious once you learn it), you understand that this wasn't the work of only 3 men. It took more manpower than that, starting with the pre-operational surveillance that was conducted on the OKC Federal Building.

In short, it was a Middle Eastern terrorist cell who planned, prepared, and executed the operation, and an E-5 washout from mech land didn't mastermind it after reading Soldier of Fortune magazines and going to gun shows, like wikipedia claims. When you come across the information that was available to various Federal Agencies, but more importantly, the Congressional Counter-Terrorism & UW office, you learn that they had been listening to chatter from Middle Eastern cells who had described their plans to bomb a major Federal Building, and that they had two "lily whites" recruited as patsies.

Enter Terry Nichols. Terry Nichols, by all accounts that I have poured over, only fits into this in the role as an FBI informant who was told to keep tabs on these Middle Eastern dudes for his handlers in the Bureau. There were a lot of man hours put into prepping the device, and the perpetrators were staying in the Cactus Motel outside of OKC. One of the cleaning ladies even complained to the management when she went to clean the room because there were bags of fertilizer stacked up around the beds. The manager also noticed that the Ryder rental truck that his Middle Eastern guests had smelled of diesel fuel, which was odd, since Ryder stopped using diesel back in the 1970's to his best recollection.

If you read Jayna Davis' book, The Third Terrorist, it will really blow your mind about how huge a lie was perpetrated by the schills in the propaganda services. She was an NBC affiliate reporter in OKC at the time, who was on scene within 19 minutes of the blast, and her editor told her to focus on nothing but the OKC story. She has been on O'Reilly, Hannity, and other nationally-syndicated shows discussing her findings.

McVeigh was waiting in a Mazda truck at the corner while another perpetrator pulled the initiator, in full view of many witnesses. This gentleman had been observed timing his run the day prior, from the position where the Ryder truck was parked, to where the getaway vehicle was parked. Notice how you have never heard a detailed explanation for how McVeigh and Nichols pulled this all off on their own. The gentleman who actually pulled the initiator is a man named Hussein al-Hussaini, a former Iraqi Republican Guard soldier who became an Iraqi ISI operative after the Gulf War.

He had an ISI tattoo on his arm, was physically fit, and had traveled to the US seeking asylum from Saddam, claiming that his father was arrested for handing out communist literature on the streets of Baghdad (bwah ha ha ha ha ha-yeah right). He quickly found odd employment with another Middle Eastern man, convicted terrorist financier/property management company owner in OKC, whose estranged wife died in the Murrah building blast coincidentally, her death going unreported until this Palestinian business owner decided he could cash in her insurance policy.

None of this information saw the light of day until Jayna's book was published, and she has over 200 eye witnesses that were vetted according to strict journalistic protocols, to include victims who survived the blast inside the building that watched Hussaini park and exit the vehicle, then walk to the rear, manipulate something on its rear, then run off, just as he had trained to do on a stopwatch the day before.

As a result, Clinton didn't let a crisis go to waste, so he blamed Rush Limbaugh for radicalizing McVeigh, and his Justice Department under Janet Reno, Hubbell, and Eric Holder drafted legislation that later became known as....the PATRIOT Act, so that your library habits and online activity could be tracked and monitored to prevent future attacks (they claim McVeigh learned how to make this powerful device by going to the library).

Ask yourself this: Which do you believe?

A.) Timothy McVeigh had been reading too many anti-government books, listening to Rush Limbaugh, was a white supremacist, and wanted to avenge the deaths of the Branch Davidians, so he built a bomb powerful enough to destroy a reenforced steel concrete building without even tamping the device....

or...

B) A Middle Eastern terrorist cell with state sponsorship from foreign intelligence services in Iraq, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Palestinian territories decided to attack the US in the Federal Building we had in our heartland to show we are vulnerable. As they did 2 years earlier in 1993 under the expertise of Ramzi Yousef, they used a certain type of extremely powerful hybrid explosive arrangement placed in a Ryder truck, designed by engineers who have used these same types of devices on the Marine barracks in Lebanon, Kobar Towers, the US Embassies in Tanzania & Kenya.

Only the type of device Ramzi Yousef used can do this kind of damage if parked in front of a building without being tamped. ANFO bombs aren't anywhere brissant enough to achieve the compartmental intrusion you see above, not even when augmented with powdered Al. I learned about the true nature of the device from an 18C (SF Engineer) who had been privy to a comprehensive analysis of the blast by a reputable agency, and they purposely kept the nature of the device out of the light for very good reasons.

This was the result:


The even more disgusting thing to me is that al-Hussaini later went to work as a food services employee loading carts onto aircraft at none other than Boston-Logan International, where he was employed on 9/11. He even filed a lawsuit against Jayna Davis for identifying him in her book, The Third Terrorist, because he couldn't sleep at night as he was haunted by McVeigh's image telling him, "You're the third terrorist."

The judge threw the case out after seeing the evidence, and recommended that al-Hussaini be looked into further for his associations and activities, which were very alarming to him and the court. al-Hussaini was finally arrested in 2011, for assaulting another homeless man with a broken bottle, which he used to slash his face open with.



That's the original artist's rendering of what they called "John Doe #2" who they were looking for after the OKC bombing. After they nabbed McVeigh & Nichols, you didn't hear much anymore about John Doe #2. Jayna Davis actually had video surveillance of him that a PI had obtained after she got onto the lead with the Palestinian property management company owner. When she showed the footage to two FBI agents, their faces went stone cold and the demanded the original video, which she refused, and provided them copies only.

They knew who al-Hussaini was before April 19th. Terry Nichols claims he was an informant for the Feds, and has been writing to Senators and Congressmen since he was put in Federal prison.

I highly recommend that anyone interested get Jayna Davis' book:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Third-Terroris...1595552367

[Variable]

IMO, it probably was right wing extremist. Remember, Oklahoma City was also done by an American, and on the anniversary of the Waco massacre. April 19th is only four days away...

Why would a right wing extremist bomb a marathon? A deep hatred for cardiovascular fitness???

I'd expect a right winger to go after a far more symbolic target than that.

It fits the Jihaddi MO much better in my opinion. Just my .02 though. I'm not up there.

[Deer Hunter]

Why would a right wing extremist bomb a marathon? A deep hatred for cardiovascular fitness???

I'd expect a right winger to go after a far more symbolic target than that.

It fits the Jihaddi MO much better in my opinion. Just my .02 though. I'm not up there.

I agree, why bomb a marathon? If you had a beef with the Govt wouldnt it make more sense to go after Politicians, a Govt building etc......it doesnt make sense that right wing people went after a bunch of runners. This was Alqueda, probably the same SOB's that Obama is helping in Syria.

[Dogue]

Hopefully Obama calls for a ban on bombs.....


Thoughts and prayers are with all the families affected by this.

[Y85]

I lived in Boston for nearly a quarter of my life. I was trained, I married, and my first child was born there. I have not heard from my friends, but I know some of the people we are seeing on television. This is an attack upon us all and it is only proper that, for the moment, for today, we as a nation put aside our small divisions. We must wrap our arms around the parents who have lost a child and stand together in silent vigil at the bedsides of our neighbors who have been crippled.

And we must say to those cowardly bastards who have done this, "In maiming our friends, you have made us all bleed. You have taken a child from all of us. Turn now to whatever Being you call Divine. Pray for mercy from your God(s); you will receive none from us."

[bwaites]

This is an attack upon us all and it is only proper that, for the moment, for today, we as a nation put aside our small divisions. We must wrap our arms around the parents who have lost a child and stand together in silent vigil at the bedsides of our neighbors who have been crippled.

And we must say to those cowardly bastards who have done this, "In maiming our friends, you have made us all bleed. You have taken a child from all of us. Turn now to whatever Being you call Divine. Pray for mercy from your God(s); you will receive none from us."

Awesomely well stated!

[davidj]

LRRPF52,
Interesting commentary. I just ordered the book. I have never fully believed the gov't account of what happened.

[LRRPF52]

I didn't mean to distract from the fact that many families and communities are grieving right now, but the Tim McVeigh template is a falsehood of the highest order in my experience. McVeigh was an atheist loner who chose a path of working with enemies of the US. Any association of him can be made to the likes of Bill Ayers and Eric Holder, not patriotic Americans of Christian faith who live lives of being good to their neighbors and strengthening families.

The sad reality is that this event has been politicized within moments of it happening, with propaganda apparatchik operatives drooling over the prospect that this was perpetrated by their ideological opponents. With an administration that openly abides by the principle of "Never let a crisis go to waste.", I'm afraid the facts of the case will never matter, just as they didn't with the Oklahoma City Federal Building bombing under the Clinton's, Reno, Hubbell, and Eric Holder. That was an event that they fully manipulated into achieving further restrictions on the common citizenry, while simultaneously letting key leaders within the Al Qaeda terrorist network literally get away with murder, to include Bin Laden on more than one occasion.

It will be interesting to see who they pin this on in this critical legislative season, where the last threads of the Constitution remain strained under the weight of the pressure from enemies of our freedom.

I agree, why bomb a marathon? If you had a beef with the Govt wouldnt it make more sense to go after Politicians, a Govt building etc......it doesnt make sense that right wing people went after a bunch of runners. This was Alqueda, probably the same SOB's that Obama is helping in Syria.

"right wing people" don't attack innocents, or settle their beef with gov't using violence in America, especially since the majority of the Country is quite conservative by international standards. There is an unusually high concentration of God-fearing people in America, because of the heritage of fleeing European tyranny for religious freedom in the New World. As I have studied the campaigns of foreign enemies, they identify our core strengths in our families and our faith, placing those targets at the center of their ideological warfare strategies dating back to even the late 1800's.

[Hooz]

McVeigh didn't do the OKC bombing, and he wasn't a right wing extremist...

If I ever find myself in your neck-of-the woods, or you in mine, I would love to buy you a drink and pick your brain! Your posts, firearms related or otherwise, are always enlightening.

[LRRPF52]

If I ever find myself in your neck-of-the woods, or you in mine, I would love to buy you a drink and pick your brain! Your posts, firearms related or otherwise, are always enlightening.

McVeigh was a loner who couldn't get a girlfriend, and had chosen to further isolate himself socially because of the divorce of his parents, even though he had a lot going for him with his talents with computer sciences in school. He chose to be an atheist, and sympathized with enemies of the United States because we "...were the biggest bully in the world...". This is a common complaint you hear from foreigners in 3rd-world countries, or former colonial powers who now live in the shadow of US international prominence, let alone ignorant school propagandists in the US elementary, high school, and university-level indoctrination centers, who have never set foot outside the US, and know painfully little of what goes on in the world.

McVeigh turned out to be weak-minded person who sought deviant means to seek justice, with the easy path that the blame America crowd takes, and it resulted in him getting in bed with professional Middle Eastern cells that had sponsorship from states that had a bone to pick with the US after the Gulf War, especially since the radical elements within those States held their own governments liable for allowing filthy US infidels to set foot in their deforested, dusty holy land. What you commonly see in the Middle East is a dynamic where the governments of Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt, Lebanon, and Syria face a constant internal pressure of trying to govern with radical trouble-makers who have been influenced by extremist religious fanatics, and they pose a serious problem for society.

So the best way for them to manage this problem is to harness it, train it, and focus it outwards to achieve the interests of the state in foreign countries, or on strategic locations within their countries used by foreign entities. In the post-Soviet/Afghan War of 1979-1989 era, you had a mass of various foreign fighters who had traveled to Afghanistan to fight the godless communists, now with nothing better to do, so they became a significant pressure in the region, and the various intelligence services of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia in particular didn't waste any time directing the pressure valve on their enemies.

For Pakistan, it involved internal strife and surrogate warfare with India, their arch rival. For Saudi Arabia, it involved regional and trans-continental attacks. Both countries provided bodies, training, and aid to Al Qaeda, to include the assassination of Jewish Rabbi Meyer Kahane, the 1993 World Trade Center bombing by the Al Farouq Mosque out of NYC (involving a Ryder truck with the same type of mega-explosive later used in OKC), the USS Cole bombing, the embassy bombings in the Arabian Peninsula, the Khobar Tower bombing in Saudi Arabia, and so forth. OKC is better understood in this light, not the non-existent domestic Christian white supremacist, anti-gubm't movement assigned to McVeigh in the whitewash of that "investigation".

[stanc]

Why would a right wing extremist bomb a marathon? A deep hatred for cardiovascular fitness???

<chuckle> Or maybe resentment over the streets being closed down for the race? :p

Any reason I might offer on motive or target selection would be groundless speculation.

I based my opinion about who did it on the following:

- The reports that OKC was carried out by right wing extremists on the anniversary of Waco.

- The proximity of this bombing to the anniversaries of OKC and Waco.

- The idea that an attack executed on Patriots Day might appeal to a self-styled "patriot."

Now, I may very well be proven wrong in that assessment. We'll just have to wait and see.

[TheOTHERmaninblack]

The date notwithstanding, the target still doesn't make sense. There's no special political significance to the marathon as far as I know. There's no special connection between Boston and Patriot's day in modern history. And any older connection would seem to be a positive one.

Seems more likely that somebody else is either counting on the date to vilify the right or that the date is of less import than it might seem.

As for OKC, that job stank from the moment the bomb(s?) went off. I followed it contemporaneously, and the BS meters were pegged from the get-go. The only entity anywhere that gained from that blast was BATFE, who rose from the pyre of near destruction to become more powerful than they'd ever been. Right wing extremists? Says who, the left wing extremists who benefited?