What about that Christopher Dorner fellow?

[BjornF16]

@GG...I think you will get your wish tonight.

[LRRPF52]

Looks like a crispy critter. He was an amateur. The amount of chaos he could have wreaked would have paled this in comparison if he was the man he claimed to be. Prayers for the families of the victims, including the officer that was killed today.

[sneaky one]

Just another reason to push for more mental health care -reform. Send a kind letter to the LE -families. Another mental ( Breakdown), in our society.
We need to get back to the - old school idealisms. Crimes like this were virtually non-existant during the 60-70's. We never even locked the door on the house....

[carbontetrachloride]

Gee, I wonder if this guy was on SSRI's for his bout with "depression"?

[Grendel-Gene]

Django is toast!...... Literally!!! Poor misunderstood soul... Tears come to my eyes just thinking about it. Where do you all recon obama will have a monument erected to Django Dorner's memory???
Perhaps next to the honorable Dr. Rodney King's?????? I hope so. It would be very convenient to be able to see both monuments at the same time....

[ss355]

Just another reason to push for more mental health care -reform.

I know that's been a favorite line of some republicans and Wayne LaPierre when trying to rebut gun control arguments, but frankly, the thought of fedgov taking on healthcare reform scares me as much as fedgov taking on gun control. I simply don't trust they'd make any attempt to do anything in the best interest of liberty. Sorry for veering off topic.

[Grendel-Gene]

Ss355; I agree.

[smoke13]

He was definitely a lib, narcissists gone postal, but his demise of death via fire bombing should make American's ask, "where's the due process"? Smells like a Waco. Watch this vid from Alex Jones. He predicted the fire bombing 2 hours before it happened. It was play right from their playbook. They have the scanner audio from the APC confirming "burners placed". “Burn this f*** down”. “Place the burners”. “Burners set.” “Burners ignited.” “The fire is set.”

Sounds a lot like execution by fire.

The rouge cops like Dorner is another example of why we have guns; police state federalism is yet another reason why we have guns.

“Where government fears the people there is liberty, where the people fear the government there is tyranny”. T. Jefferson.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cQzvDPclSA

[hm2 clark]

Dorner does sound like a looser and wack job. Kinda reminds me of the movie "Falling Down". Still, honest men should ask themselves, if he had attacked un armed non law enforcement citizens if LE response would have been the same. Would there have been any response at all? One of the founding premesis in this country is that all men are treated equally under the law... AND the police response was so disporportioal that the next time a gangbanger or crazy guy gets mad at the police, they will just repeat his actions.

[Grendel-Gene]

Smoke, I admit that it does smack a bit of Waco.... but there is a big difference too: The folks at Waco didn't pick a fight with anyone: They kept to themselves without bothering anyone until that ugly guy in drag, Janet Reno, and the ATF "saints" came down on them like a ton of bricks for ( at best ) very dubious reasons; On the other hand, this A$$hole, Django Dorner, went out of his way to kill people, left manifestos stating that he had done so and would continue to do so... and even praised obama.... So you know for a fact that he was guilty... and crazy!!!. So no, I did not shed a tear when he became crispy critters.

Another thing, I am sure that the LAPD has many issues and is far from perfect.... but on the other hand, look at the very LARGE AMOUNTS OF barely human TRASH that they have to deal with on a daily basis... In other words, Los Angeles is a $hit hole and it probably has the kind of cops that it NEEDS to have.

[smoke13]

Smoke, I admit that it does smack a bit of Waco.... but there is a big difference too: The folks at Waco didn't pick a fight with anyone: They kept to themselves without bothering anyone until that ugly guy in drag, Janet Reno, and the ATF "saints" came down on them like a ton of bricks for ( at best ) very dubious reasons; On the other hand, this A$$hole, Django Dorner, went out of his way to kill people, left manifestos stating that he had done so and would continue to do so... and even praised obama.... So you know for a fact that he was guilty... and crazy!!!. So no, I did not shed a tear when he became crispy critters.

Another thing, I am sure that the LAPD has many issues and is far from perfect.... but on the other hand, look at the very LARGE AMOUNTS OF barely human TRASH that they have to deal with on a daily basis... In other words, Los Angeles is a $hit hole and it probably has the kind of cops that it NEEDS to have.

Grendel-Gene, I’m not comparing Dormer to David Koresh by ANY stretch. I made no such comparison. I’m stating that the burn-em-out fire-bombing tactic smelled like Waco. This is not legal option for the LAPD.

[Grendel-Gene]

Smoke, I do understand what you are saying and agree with you that burning Django out was not a real "legal option".... But somehow I just can't bring myself to be outraged or even shed a single tear in this case... Go figure!!! I hope there is nothing wrong with me for feeling this way...

[LongRanger]

I have to assume that the LAPD will be getting a bill from the cabin owner's insurance company for the full amount of the loss. After all, they did deliberately burn the building to the ground with someone in it no less. Another reason that our tax bills are so high. Meanwhile, Michelle Obama is mourning the loss of one of her strongest fans! They don't need to ban guns, they need to ban Democrats.

[Nukes]

Since LAPD and Dorner each did their own version of vigilante justice, who has the moral high ground? Might makes right? If the Sonora cartel has more firepower than LAPD, do they "win" the moral war and so deserve the "hearts and minds" of the American people?

Excusing and failing to punish LAPD's cowardly and unprofessional "burn that m$%^*& f$%^&@ down" murder is exactly the type of subjective situational "ethics" that exemplifies how this nation has so "exported freedom" that there is none at home.

[Grendel-Gene]

Nukes, can you honestly say that Django Dorner didnt get what be deserved even if he didnt get "due process"??? I agree that the process was not perfect, but the man was clearly guilty and in fact could have walked out with his hands up and surrendered at anytime.... SO HE CHOSE THAT OUTCOME... (or something similar in which he was shot in a fire fight without the burning down of the cabin).

Again, i am sure the LAPD was not trained by Mother Theresa... but Dorner had an active role in how he met his demise. Again, the tears just wont come.

My dad always said, " Son, life is hard; but its so much harder when you are stupid....". Maybe Django never had a dad.

[smoke13]

Smoke, I do understand what you are saying and agree with you that burning Django out was not a real "legal option".... But somehow I just can't bring myself to be outraged or even shed a single tear in this case... Go figure!!! I hope there is nothing wrong with me for feeling this way...

You may feel however you like. I respect that. But remember that when the police state has the power to play judge, jury, and executioner at the scene of the crime, today it is about this scum of the earth Dormer, tomorrow it may be your house.
What if you were framed for murder or such and the local swat brought in their para-military tanks and fire bombs and destroyed you and your family before you every had a chance present your case to the jury? What if the people cheered yep he deserved it. He was scum…I know he was the TV/internet said so….
Justice is served by upholding the laws, and bringing to trial a criminal. The police have sworn to uphold these laws. If they will not uphold the laws, they do not belong in position of trust and power. Police do have a right to protect there lives with terminal force just like you and I do. Burning down a holed-up murderer is not self defense. It is execution.

[ricsmall]

You may feel however you like. I respect that. But remember that when the police state has the power to play judge, jury, and executioner at the scene of the crime, today it is about this scum of the earth Dormer, tomorrow it may be your house.
What if you were framed for murder or such and the local swat brought in their para-military tanks and fire bombs and destroyed you and your family before you every had a chance present your case to the jury? What if the people cheered yep he deserved it. He was scum…I know he was the TV/internet said so….
Justice is served by upholding the laws, and bringing to trial a criminal. The police have sworn to uphold these laws. If they will not uphold the laws, they do not belong in position of trust and power. Police do have a right to protect there lives with terminal force just like you and I do. Burning down a holed-up murderer is not self defense. It is execution.

+1. I see both sides of the story. If he had harmed my family/friends, I would be in favor of GG's assessment. But from the other side of the fence, if I were the accused, I would expect the opputunity to give my testimony. Now, if I chose to hole up and take my chances, well, you see what can happen. I dont think it was right, but he pretty well chose his fate. Some of you should read the book "Unintended Consequenses". Its fiction, but based on government events of the past and what can/may happen.

[Grendel-Gene]

Smoke, i know that you are correct... but still, it takes two to Tango; Dorner did not surrender when he was cornered. he did himself no favors that would bring him before a jury...perhaps because he knew that we knew that he was guilty. Still, due process is, of course, the proper course of action; but you have to get him to the court room first. He was having none of it.

one thing that i do think deserves much closer scrutiny is these gas canisters that get very hot and potentially started the fire in the cabin. I think they were used at Waco too. I dont believe they should be legal to use by the cops anymore until we can establish that they dont start these fires.

[bwaites]

While feeling that Dorner may have gotten what he deserved, I still do not believe that he received it in a manner that was appropriate.

This was not the rule of law espoused by the Founding Fathers. This was vigilante justice, pure and simple. The fact that it was carried out by LEO's and not a mob makes it WORSE in my view. These men are sworn to uphold the law of the land, and they did not do so. That should give everyone reason to pause and reconsider.

What if you, or someone you loved, was put into a situation where you were believed to have done something that could be construed as a crime, panicked, and ran. You then holed up somewhere and came to your senses, realizing that the scenario was not so bleak and could be explained appropriately. By the time you realized this, the LEO community was descending on your hideout. When you walked out, it was to a hundred LEO's with rifles raised. Would you be 100% confident that none of them would make a mistake after having seen and read about what happened at Dorners confrontation? I'm not!

It's highly doubtful that those officers will ever be identified, and its even possible that the tapes were doctored to make them look bad, (remember the network doctoring the George Zimmerman tapes?) When you can't be sure of the evidence, (and NO ONE is sure of the evidence at this point in the Dorner case!), then the accused deserves his day in court. At this point, at least from what I've seen, it appears Dorner actually shot himself, but once again, thats the Mainstream Media reporting what they've been told by the same group that supposedly said "Burn him out!"

Who do you believe in these circumstances?

[Grendel-Gene]

Bwaites, the problem with your example is that you or I probably would not have shot 4 cops and published a manifesto... that makes it a bit different in my mind.