The time has come (maybe)

[grayfox]

I am thinking now maybe the time has come for me to get a replacement barrel for my howa mini.
Sure the 20" barrel has been ok but it just doesn't shoot like I would like (alas another one I had earlier and sold, shot better), and this year maybe the budget is here to look at a replacement. Why not get a better barrel all around.
Here's what I'm looking for: 22", medium heavy barrel threaded for 5/8-24, 5-R style twist 1:8. I will fit it back into the mdt chassis I already have.
So it needs to be a "howage" style with the appropriate (M-thread I guess) barrel nut, and wrench/crow's foot, so I can put it on after I have my lgs pull the old barrel. I've got the gages and I like doing it.
From time to time guys have talked up their pac-nor, or xcaliber, or etc...
The possibilities today seem like preferred barrel blanks, pac-nor or mcgowen.
What recommendations would y'all have.
Like it to be a drop in once the mfr gets through with it and ships.
Waiting the more-less obligatory 12 weeks +/- is ok as I have plenty other shootin' lined up.
But, well, a little more barrel and a little more MV would suit me well I think.

[SDguy]

I am thinking now maybe the time has come for me to get a replacement barrel for my howa mini.
Sure the 20" barrel has been ok but it just doesn't shoot like I would like (alas another one I had earlier and sold, shot better), and this year maybe the budget is here to look at a replacement. Why not get a better barrel all around.
Here's what I'm looking for: 22", medium heavy barrel threaded for 5/8-24, 5-R style twist 1:8. I will fit it back into the mdt chassis I already have.
So it needs to be a "howage" style with the appropriate (M-thread I guess) barrel nut, and wrench/crow's foot, so I can put it on after I have my lgs pull the old barrel. I've got the gages and I like doing it.
From time to time guys have talked up their pac-nor, or xcaliber, or etc...
The possibilities today seem like preferred barrel blanks, pac-nor or mcgowen.
What recommendations would y'all have.
Like it to be a drop in once the mfr gets through with it and ships.
Waiting the more-less obligatory 12 weeks +/- is ok as I have plenty other shootin' lined up.
But, well, a little more barrel and a little more MV would suit me well I think.

I have a similar 6mm ARC barrel coming in for a CZ 527 at the moment. Was more like 24 weeks wait time if I recall correctly. Similar in the sense that the barrel is the Heavy varmint contour. similar in the sense it is 22" long & similar in the sense she will be threaded 5/8 -24. Not exactly 5R though an 5 land 5 groove laid back angle rifling that tends to yield 50 to 100 FPS faster or so than a standard rifling configuration. Last one dropped in with little fuss. We will see on this one by next week.

Give Pacnor a call & start off with Jay, I expect they may get you going with something to fit your fancy.

[Stinky Coyote]

stainless, proof carbon I had was accurate and fast, I had the smaller diameter 24" carbon sendero on a howa in mdt Lss xl gen 2, 2605 fps with hornady black, cleaned up so fast with their 11 round break in, and I think with 30mm talley rings and 1 lb leupold 40mm with the 30mm tube it was 8 lb 3 oz total but gotta use ergo grip with thumb tang to keep trigger reach in check, maybe just regular proof stainless?, or hear good things about benchmark barrels

I think about doing a stainless on my little howa ultralight at times but already been the biggest money pit going so I try to quit having those brain farts asap. Think I'd rather hold out for an older ruger m77 7.62x39 boat paddle that's already stainless then just swap it to stainless 6.5 Grendel though. Should have done that in the first place instead of this money pit.

[grayfox]

So these are both pac-nor?
I'm about to do some calling.
I had a mcgowen years ago, in 6.8 spc/20" barrel, the barrel probably shot better than I was at the time but had feed issues... plus I left the spc for the grr anyway... like I said years ago.
I have a uintah in 6Arc but don't have the 12 c-notes for a grendel, the 6Arc is mighty fine however...

Another question rattling around is whether a slight taper or straight barrel line is better... I'd do maybe the 0.750 or 0.810 in straight but like y'all say maybe a light varmint or sendero? Any opinions on harmonics for these options. The ruger pred is close to a 0.750 straight, I have some savages in a 0.810/fluted that shoot well. the howa mini is a straight-20 ~0.760 I think...

decision, decisions...

O, that 5R yeah most places don't do that exactly 'cuz it's patented I think, a 5-land/5groove is perfectly fine. The offset IMO lends me an extra 50 or so fps and less distortion on the bullet/forcing to the grooves. Not really a fan per se of the enfield or other straight-opposing styles... when I can get a 5-er that is.

[grayfox]

I contacted pac-nor, preferred barrels, and mcgowen today. We'll see what I get back.
This afternoon PacNor emailed back and said they don't do barrel nuts. So they're out.
I can't set up and headspace a non-barrel nut barrel.
Appreciate all the ideas here.

[Harpoon1]

I contacted pac-nor, preferred barrels, and mcgowen today. We'll see what I get back.
This afternoon PacNor emailed back and said they don't do barrel nuts. So they're out.
I can't set up and headspace a non-barrel nut barrel.
Appreciate all the ideas here.

Preferred Barrels pushes their parallel tapered contours as being more accurate. They claim the harmonics are better but offer no evidence. Still unclear how they rifle their barrels, and then stress relieve them. If precision is paramount for competition, single point cut rifling seems more consistent to every other method.IMO

FWIW……. https://precisionrifleblog.com/2019/01/0...-barrel-2/

If I wanted to guarantee high odds that my new barrel is a “shooter” I’d probably get another Brux (or at least another one of the single point cut rifling barrels) and have a competent gunsmith cut the chamber and ream a custom throat job! About $700 total, done, around here! Button and Cold Hammer Forged rifling can be more of a crap shoot, especially if the stress relieving is not done correctly.

Brux seems more popular with the F-Class guys!

http://bruxbarrels.com/

[northdude]

Can you get walther barrels over there

[grayfox]

I have not seen them anywhere.
Right now looks like preferred barrels will be the choice. I talked with him.
Mcgowen never returned my email or call.
The Ragged guys did email back, but I'm leaning preferred for now.
Still thinking.

[jasper2408]

Freebore length is something you should check on is my recommendation when they do the chamber.

Finally got my Howa Mini w/22" Kreiger SS barrel back but I sent it back to get the freebore extended. Freebore was way too short for Hornady 123 HPBT.

I had Kreiger copy the Howa barrel contour until it got down to .800" then straight out to the muzzle. That put a little more meat in the the end of the barrel but not adding much weight compared to the Howa 20" HB. Didn't make the rifle barrel heavy either. Probably could have got by with .820" though.

[grayfox]

placed the order with preferred barrels. They tell me 12-16 wks but may beat that by a little.
I can wait, I've got my lilja AR running as far as grrr rounds. I gave them a chance to explain if the QA problems talked about in snipershide had been dealt with. Lots of times a vendor doesn't get the chance to tell its side of the story. He did say they had worked those issues out, it was from ~2 yrs ago but figured I'd let them have their say at least.
Mostly if I get a decent barrel with the extra MV of 22" and more repeatable load performance, it will have paid off for me.

[CJW]

Lothar Walter Barrels is in Cumming,GA…….

(770) 889-9998

I have used their barrels on .223’s for many, many years……..they are extraordinary

C

[grayfox]

I've got a uintah 6Arc upper, rides an AR lower, bolt action.
Shoots wonders for me.
They use the PB barrels, both are in Utah. If this new one shoots like that uintah I'll be mighty pleased.

[ramslamer]

I've got a uintah 6Arc upper, rides an AR lower, bolt action.
Shoots wonders for me.
They use the PB barrels, both are in Utah. If this new one shoots like that uintah I'll be mighty pleased.

I put a preferred barrel on a mini,it is doing a great job. The wait time was waaaaaay more than told . But when it finally made an appearance,it works. I put a 26 “ 1-7.5 twist, and running a 147 eld-m for silhouette rams. But The barrel is 2 years old,so hopefully they have delivery time figured out

[s3silver]

I went with krieger when I replaced the sporter barrel. Now I’m totally satisfied with how it shoots.

[Harpoon1]

I put a preferred barrel on a mini,it is doing a great job. The wait time was waaaaaay more than told . But when it finally made an appearance,it works. I put a 26 “ 1-7.5 twist, and running a 147 eld-m for silhouette rams. But The barrel is 2 years old,so hopefully they have delivery time figured out

I just ordered a barrel from them, my first one. I paid the extra fee to expedite the delivery. They guarantee less than 3 weeks or refund the fee.

Wanted another a Brux but they’re 10-12 months out on current orders! Crazy. Got lucky, my gunsmith already had a spare Proof on order that’s due in a couple of weeks!

[grayfox]

Yeah I could've plunked down the coin too, but I figured I could wait. Been working on a couple other cartridges, loads, so still busy enough. Plus my PT consulting is taking up more time than I thought! (not necessarily a bad thing).
Let us know how it shoots, ok?

[Harpoon1]

Yeah I could've plunked down the coin too, but I figured I could wait. Been working on a couple other cartridges, loads, so still busy enough. Plus my PT consulting is taking up more time than I thought! (not necessarily a bad thing).
Let us know how it shoots, ok?

Yessir, will do. A fiend purchased one last year. MTU contour 6.5 CM and it shoot's lights out, he’s very happy with it. I’m going short and lightweight in 6.5 CM, Hybrid contour/18” .750 parallel taper. The Hybrid is supposed to be a drop in replacement for the Tikka factory Lite/Hunter stock.

[grayfox]

Got the original barrel removed. A local lgs I've used once before, he just set it up, torqued off the barrel. Bam.
Talked with him a few minutes, he built himself a nifty little grendel on a barrel he made, into a mini-mauser action from an international arms (?) older rifle. Looks cool, hexagon barrel and all.

Anyway back home I thought, while I 've got it this far apart why not try and see if that timney I bought couple of years ago (howa 1500, #609 style adjustable), would fit. As I recall it did not but didn't remember why. Turns out the little screw to fasten it to the action underside, is a tad too long, sticks up so the bolt cannot get back into the action. Can't use howa's screw, have to use the timney. Well, what have I got to lose? Took that little screw and my belt sander (the vertical disk) and shortened up that little guy. Voila!! all fits well, so this howa is getting a trigger upgrade as well as the barrel!

Almost as good as bacon n eggs, pancakes and pure maple syrup.

[biodsl]

This all sounds great. What stock are you using and are you changing it out?

[grayfox]

I've got an mdt chassis, fde, with mba adjustable butt stock on it. That's already in place from before. I find the chassis orients my wrist the best, with little strain on it.