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Ok. I had this in my DIY/Build thread but do try to keep things in proper area when looking for help.
My build is very much coming in, last parts coming in by Monday (trigger).
The biggest issue now is optics, and this is something that I am troubled with since not in the world. I am not going to be putting an optic that is 2-3x the cost of my build, especially since its for hunting/target shooting out to 300 yds at most. I am looking at about 400-600 range. I did some research and the few I saw that piqued my interest are as follows.
Vortex Viper PST 1-6x24 - Made in Phillipines and overall read good reviews about it. From what I read the 1-6x is the mag that I should be looking at for my overall needs.
Vortex Strike Eagle 1-6x24 Illuminated - Heard LOT of great feedback on this one. Not a budget breaker, like the reticle but it is a T one. Made in China
Vortex Razor HD LH 1.5-8x32 - One I am most interested in. If I read it right, their Razor's are made in Japan and this normally was priced accordingly, so curious if it is being discontinued.
Burris RT6 - haven't seen much on this one.
Anything else anybody could think of that may be in my range?
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BVickery1974 Wrote:Vortex Razor HD LH 1.5-8x32 - One I am most interested in. If I read it right, their Razor's are made in Japan and this normally was priced accordingly, so curious if it is being discontinued.
Euro Optics has this scope in their close out section. I quick check at the Vortex website and yes, I think it's being discontinued.
https://www.eurooptic.com/Vortex-Viper-P...eouts.aspx
I do a lot of paper punching at 200 and 300 yards. I'm a fan of a 2.5x10. I love my PST SFP. It's light enough, clear enough and the reticle is fine enough for precision work. They have both Mil and MOA available.
https://www.eurooptic.com/vortex-viper-p...0s1-a.aspx
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I ordered an Arken SH4 to give it a try on a new build and got their "precision pack" and one piece rings for under $500 to my door
SH4 4-16X50 GEN2 FFP MOA VPR Illuminated Reticle with Zero Stop - 34mm TubeOption:
Add Precision Pack 50% OFF (Bubble Level, Rear Bag, Throw Lever, Patch & Sticker)
$434
Rigid Precision Mount 34mm - 20 MOA rings
$59.
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Still waiting on it to arrive and hope it holds up. Not expecting miracles, but good features for price
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check out midwau, see what they have on deep discount
sort the scopes by percent off
heres one
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1022743167?pid=918734
there is also the new vortex venom that is selling for @ 499
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I've got the Bushnell nitro 4-16x44 (deploy MOA) 30mm tube plus the sunshade, I'm still thinking about selling...
Mounted up twice for about 10-20 shots...
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grayfox Wrote:I've got the Bushnell nitro 4-16x44 (deploy MOA) 30mm tube plus the sunshade, I'm still thinking about selling...
Mounted up twice for about 10-20 shots...
Do think that is going to be on the high side given I am not going to far with it. Longest range I have access to for reasonable cost is 300 yds. And it being hunting, odds are be 50-150 yds.
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For a hunting rifle, I'd go with the Razor HD LH without question. the 1.5-8x32 and 2-10x40 are on sale at EuroOptic right now for under $450. I don't think you can find a better bargain. All of my rifles have quality optics and I'm still considering picking up one of the Razor HD LH scopes above because they're such a great deal right now.
I'd also consider the SWFA Ultralight 2.5-10x at under $400 with a mount (scope weighs less than 10 ounces!), but they've been backordered for a while.
While 1-6x optics are good for general purpose guns, I'm not sure the 24mm objective size will be ideal for hunting in adverse conditions. Image quality will be paramount for target ID while hunting at any range, and I'd rank the Razor HD LH far above the rest of your options. You would probably be fine with the Viper PST G2, or even the Burris RT-6, but I'd skip the Strike Eagle for anything but a range toy.
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I own several of the pst gen 2 scopes in 1-6 power.
Unless your intending to shoot tiny groups on paper at your stated ranges, it is the perfect scope for what your wanting to do.
I sight mine in at 50 yards and with my handloads that puts it dead on at 200. At 6 power it's perfect for doing hold overs all the way to 600 yards on steel plates.
Even with my 12.5 inch guns.
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I have a 1-10x on my hunting rifle. The 10x is for the range. While hunting im usually 1-5x.
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If you're going the LPVO route and looking for a bargain, some of the Primary Arms scopes are decent for the money as well and might be worth consideration. I have a PST g2 1-6 and a PA 1-8 and I actually prefer the PA
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A5BLASTER Wrote:I own several of the pst gen 2 scopes in 1-6 power.
Unless your intending to shoot tiny groups on paper at your stated ranges, it is the perfect scope for what your wanting to do.
I sight mine in at 50 yards and with my handloads that puts it dead on at 200. At 6 power it's perfect for doing hold overs all the way to 600 yards on steel plates.
Even with my 12.5 inch guns.
Went and looked at lot of reviews and such. Grabbed this as a demo. So $499. Got the 3" cant mount for it too.
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Oryx, I would like see the review of this scope. Its on my short list for a replacement of a bushnell. Seem to have pretty good reviews. Chuck
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Haven't got it yet, but looking forward to putting it through the paces. When I try something like this I try not to set the expectations too high to lessen chances and severity of disappointment.
There's plenty of existing reviews that I have watched and it seems like a good bargain for the features. That said it seems that so many scope manufacturers are paying so much attention to complex holdover reticles these days - I wish they offered more simplistic reticles geared toward target shooting (like the NF NP-2DD). I generally prefer to dial vs holdover when shooting longer distances and hope the tracking and knobs will hold up.
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06-24-2021, 09:48 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-24-2021, 09:59 PM by Cotay.)
I own 2 PST 1-6s, have owned a Strike Eagle in the past, currently own an RT-6, and have previously owned a Razor HD LH 2-10x. The PST Gen II is a bit heavy but the reticle is daylight bright and the Strike Eagle glass simply stinks (I sold mine years ago). The RT-6 is a fine scope and lightweight, but it's not daylight bright and there is noticeably more edge distortion at 1x than the PST (I'm eventually selling this one that has never been mounted). The Razor is by far the best optic but the diopter design is old school. That said, it's so clearly superior glass wise that it's not even funny. So glass wise, they are Razor HD LH > PSt Gen 2 > RT-6 > Strike Eagle.
Personally, I wouldn't go with the RT-6 or Strike Eagle simply because they both have a BDC reticle designed for 5.56/.223. If you want to hunt pigs, then the 1-6x PST would be nice; I have a Bushnell Elite 1-6.5x on a 12" Grendel for this reason. If you want to hunt larger game, then the Razor is the better bet. Personally I had the Razor HD LH 2-10x on a Howa Mini Grendel, but I sold it to fund a different scope. Now that rifle has an older Weaver Grand Slam 2-8x26 that I had laying around. For larger game, this would be my choice: https://www.eurooptic.com/RZR-1558-Razor...R-155.aspx
EDIT: Just saw you ordered the PST 1-6x. Good choice for an LPVO in your price range.
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Cotay Wrote:I own 2 PST 1-6s, have owned a Strike Eagle in the past, currently own an RT-6, and have previously owned a Razor HD LH 2-10x. The PST Gen II is a bit heavy but the reticle is daylight bright and the Strike Eagle glass simply stinks (I sold mine years ago). The RT-6 is a fine scope and lightweight, but it's not daylight bright and there is noticeably more edge distortion at 1x than the PST (I'm eventually selling this one that has never been mounted). The Razor is by far the best optic but the diopter design is old school. That said, it's so clearly superior glass wise that it's not even funny. So glass wise, they are Razor HD LH > PSt Gen 2 > RT-6 > Strike Eagle.
Personally, I wouldn't go with the RT-6 or Strike Eagle simply because they both have a BDC reticle designed for 5.56/.223. If you want to hunt pigs, then the 1-6x PST would be nice; I have a Bushnell Elite 1-6.5x on a 12" Grendel for this reason. If you want to hunt larger game, then the Razor is the better bet. Personally I had the Razor HD LH 2-10x on a Howa Mini Grendel, but I sold it to fund a different scope. Now that rifle has an older Weaver Grand Slam 2-8x26 that I had laying around. For larger game, this would be my choice: https://www.eurooptic.com/RZR-1558-Razor...R-155.aspx
EDIT: Just saw you ordered the PST 1-6x. Good choice for an LPVO in your price range.
Heard lot of good things, and grabbed demo model for $499/shipped. My second choice was going to be a Razor HD LH, but the reticule just didn't sit well with me.
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Ok, I know I'm reviving this old thread, but brought my scope out and facing reality I'm not young anymore and time caught up with me.
I did go back to the eye doc's and I am now have severe left eye dominance even though I am right handed. Right eye pretty much acts on helping me with depth perception and that is it.
I am going to move my current scope to my SBR where things will definitely be under 100 yards.
Curious what magnification I should go with in my situation. I was thinking up to maybe 15x or something.
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10-30-2021, 11:46 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-30-2021, 11:48 PM by grayfox.)
My eyes are also not what they used to be, although with the cataracts out I can see pretty well.
BUT... most of my scopes of choice have gravitated to the mid-high range Vortex's. Better glass, better clarity, and better magnif. You need all 3 IMO.
Think about something like 3-15, there are PST's and PST-2's that fill this bill. they are 30 mm scopes not 1", and I've also moved most of mine over to FFP.
Now scope opinions are like bellybuttons, everyone has differing opinions.
But this is what I'd suggest, since I went through this journey myself.
edit: o, and with moa tick marks...you can go mil if you want but moa is what I'm used to. But not the "bdc's" - they don't give you the holdover flexibility you'll want.
ps, my left eye is also dominant, I didn't find this out until many moons had gone by, many many. And left is also noticeably clearer but both are pretty good...
But I still shoot RH anyway since that's what I've done all these years. A good scope can compensate for most of the eye issues.
My laser range finder goes for the left eye however, b/c it works better.
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grayfox Wrote:My eyes are also not what they used to be, although with the cataracts out I can see pretty well.
BUT... most of my scopes of choice have gravitated to the mid-high range Vortex's. Better glass, better clarity, and better magnif. You need all 3 IMO.
Think about something like 3-15, there are PST's and PST-2's that fill this bill. they are 30 mm scopes not 1", and I've also moved most of mine over to FFP.
Now scope opinions are like bellybuttons, everyone has differing opinions.
But this is what I'd suggest, since I went through this journey myself.
edit: o, and with moa tick marks...you can go mil if you want but moa is what I'm used to. But not the "bdc's" - they don't give you the holdover flexibility you'll want.
ps, my left eye is also dominant, I didn't find this out until many moons had gone by, many many. And left is also noticeably clearer but both are pretty good...
But I still shoot RH anyway since that's what I've done all these years. A good scope can compensate for most of the eye issues.
My laser range finder goes for the left eye however, b/c it works better.
Oh, I've known I've been crossed eye dominant for ages. I was thinking of 5-15x. And I love my Vortex.
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I'm finding that I don't use much below about 6x...
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grayfox Wrote:I'm finding that I don't use much below about 6x...
If I was right eye dominant like I am now, NO issue. But right now my right eye is significantly weaker than my left. I can see things up to around 20 feet or so, everyday living ok and fine. But even using a scope strains my eye at such low magnification I am starting to strain it.
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