Quote:When the gun that Patricia McCloskey had was turned over to the authorities, it was inoperable and inoperable when it arrived at the St. Louis Police crime lab.
In Missouri, police and prosecutors must prove that a weapon is readily capable of lethal use when it used in the type of crime with which the McCloskeys have been charged. At the request of Assistant Circuit Attorney Chris Hinckley, crime lab staff members field stripped the handgun and found it had been assembled incorrectly. Specifically, the firing pin spring was put in front of the firing pin, which was backward, and made the gun incapable of firing, according to the documents. Firearms experts then put the gun back together, per Hinckleys request, in the correct order and test-fired it, finding that it worked, according to the documents. Crime lab workers photographed the disassembly and reassembly of the gun, according to the documents.
07-22-2020, 04:41 PM (This post was last modified: 07-22-2020, 04:57 PM by Double Naught Spy.)
Tainted evidence/no chain of custody from the time of the event and seizure. Was not seized at the time of the event. May have been rendered inoperable after the fact by the McCloskeys for that very purpose, to "prove" that it was not operable. They are lawyers who have proven skilled at working the system in the past. In other words, it may have been 100% operable at the time.
Double Naught Spy Wrote:Tainted evidence/no chain of custody from the time of the event and seizure. Was not seized at the time of the event. May have been rendered inoperable after the fact by the McCloskeys for that very purpose, to "prove" that it was not operable. They are lawyers who have proven skilled at working the system in the past. In other words, it may have been 100% operable at the time.
X2 what DNS said! From what I've read that handgun made a few unknown stops before it was turned in. I also just read this a.m. that the MO State AG has said he would dismiss the charges that the "Soros money" elected St Louis DA filed against them. And the MO Governor has said he would pardon them. To be pardoned, they'd have to be convicted first, correct? Are you still a felon after you are pardoned? I have no experience there (thankfully!), and didn't bother to research it. The same article that mentioned the MO AG & MO Gov quotes also stated that the AR was NOT loaded at the time. The pic's show a mag inserted!?! Dumb like a fox? Insert an empty mag for a "good show of force" but later state in court it wasn't loaded? That whole incident is a huge mess!
Could two liberal trial lawyers be so stupid as to be on their front yard brandishing weapons that weren't loaded/didn't work? You really have to wonder about this world we live in.....
Double Naught Spy Wrote:Tainted evidence/no chain of custody from the time of the event and seizure. Was not seized at the time of the event. May have been rendered inoperable after the fact by the McCloskeys for that very purpose, to "prove" that it was not operable. They are lawyers who have proven skilled at working the system in the past. In other words, it may have been 100% operable at the time.
actually we do not know if it is tainted or not. The burden is on the State to prove beyond reasonable doubt that a crime was committed. If they did not not get the evidence at the time then thats on them, not the defendant. The taint if anything is on the city, not on the defs. Like said earlier I dont know the mcloskeys at all, but the burden is on the DA, not them.
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O. One more thing. If they are so concerned about police violence and all this blm junk then a social worker should have come to see them, no hurt or mayhem occurred. Or I guess that rule doesnt apply when lib snowflakes feel threatened, trespassers that they were. Lol.
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Prosecutor Had Crime Lab Fix Inoperable Prop Pistol Before Charging St. Louis Woman...... Depends on who's take you believe. This just proves every aspect of this nation today is ruled by politics, those who believe in collectivism and those who believe in the original intent of the Constitution.. This division is just warming up! https://bluelivesmatter.blue/prosecutor-...4q-mjgP7fg
"Specifically, the firing pin spring was put in front of the firing pin, which was backward, and made the gun incapable of firing, according to the documents"
In most hammer equipped semi auto guns I have the spring is normally in front of the firing pin... This holds the pin back so it can be struck by the hammer.
Double Naught Spy Wrote:True, but if burden of proof is required for time of the event, no chain of custody means that gun firing condition cannot be ascertained.
Which kind of guts the charges against her.
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If the McCloskeys are convicted and pardoned, they are still felons. And that would mean that they probably could not own firearms unless their record is expunged.
07-23-2020, 01:14 PM (This post was last modified: 07-23-2020, 01:19 PM by PVBoom.)
CMoor Wrote:What hand gun did they have?
"Specifically, the firing pin spring was put in front of the firing pin, which was backward, and made the gun incapable of firing, according to the documents"
In most hammer equipped semi auto guns I have the spring is normally in front of the firing pin... This holds the pin back so it can be struck by the hammer.
No idea, it could be one of a half dozen things. Its a chrome/nickel/SS pocket pistol, I think its a 32 or 38.
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Possibly. But were talking about a political persecution, not about the law. Law has never stopped them in the past.
i will confess I dont totally understand it however.
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What???? Political persecution has nothing to do with going before the court and having charges dropped because of the purported information. It is still a legal matter.
07-24-2020, 02:30 AM (This post was last modified: 07-24-2020, 02:36 AM by VASCAR2.)
The pistol in McCloskeys hand appears to be a copy of the Raven/Jennings/Bryco design which uses a striker. In the design the striker spring does go behind the striker and is held in place by a take down button (Part #2). When cocked the rear pin of the striker is visible at the rear of the slide in the hole of the take down button. The Cobra appears to be a close copy of the design.
Here is a schematic of the design.
It is common for crime lab firearms sections to have various weapons in the inventory for comparison purposes. There are times firearms used in crimes are recovered in a non functional state. The firearms lab technician will use parts from inventory weapons to get the weapon to function for evidentiary purposes.
A lot of seized firearms that can not be returned to the owner are ordered by the court to be turned over to the lab firearms section. Having access to these firearm helps the lab to complete their required testing/analysis on non functional weapons in a prompt manner without having to buy or source parts.
Double Naught Spy Wrote:What???? Political persecution has nothing to do with going before the court and having charges dropped because of the purported information. It is still a legal matter.
DNS:
They are called 'activist' judges and they openly say they will not follow legal precedent because of their radical views. Yesterday in Seattle a bunch of judges announced that anyone who attacks a police officer will not be prosecuted for assault because the mere presence of the police man or woman is the cause of their being assaulted. And that is just one many examples where activist judges are judging someone based on their political bigotry.
Double Naught Spy Wrote:What???? Political persecution has nothing to do with going before the court and having charges dropped because of the purported information. It is still a legal matter.
The scene may play out in a courtroom but since there is little, if any, basis in law or in fact, it is not strictly speaking, a legal matter.
As part of my position in the NRC I saw and was involved in several cases filed before the courts that ultimately had no basis in law or fact, (among other tests to see is it indeed was a "legal" matter) and so they were dismissed. My point is merely that the DA, and perhaps the court itself, is/are pursuing a political persecution and playing it out in a courtroom scenario. This is stifling power exercised by the "state" to suppress citizens, not "legal" power to suppress wrongdoing.
Afaik the judge has not ruled or spoken up yet, so my views at this point are primarily of the DA's actions. She is clearly, IMO, attempting to throw a chill effect upon Mo citizens from believing they have any 2A rights, or other ones under the Mo Constitution. Since the Mo AG, who is the chief law enforcement officer in Mo and by definition an authority on Mo constitution, has intervened it is pretty clear that if the DA attempts to move this forward then it is purely on a political, ideological basis.
Again, that she has no regard for law is evident in her failures to prosecute or contain all the murder and violence in her district, St. Louis.
I might also add that attempts to deprive citizens of their rights is not the sole province of a leftist DA; it can also show up in even federal courts, witness the US judge Sullivan in the Flynn case. I don't actually know his "politics" but I can deduce from his actions that he is anti-rights of citizens, particularly those who might have served this President (which as far as I can tell, is the only "crime" he did). And btw, a coerced "confession", ala Russian or Chinese torture, is not a confession here in the US. Distortion of, extorting, or twisting of the law to get what the state wants, is the express reason why our country enshrined prohibitions against such in our BoR.
This distortion is also occurring in this St Louis case.
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