Mk12 Mod 1 in AA 6.5 Grendel

[LRRPF52]

I'm thinking about a Mk 12 Mod 0, with the PRI handguard, ARMS rail, etc. Taggor, that was a nice touch with the NoDak NDS-16A1 lower. I have some of those for my retro builds, as well as the NDS-XM16E1 for a 605 Build.

For those wondering what I'm talking about, when Crane put the SPR rifles together, they used existing M16A1 lower receiver groups with Type "E" M16A1 stocks, but with match triggers installed, with a newly-built upper using an M4 upper receiver, a Douglas select match stainless barrel, and the PRI + ARMS components.

The NightForce 2.5-10x24 SPR scope seems to be a Military model only for the SPR right now, and is extremely difficult for civilians to get.

[JPCTR02]

nice lookin gun

[taggor]

As always I appreciate the "props"!

LRRPF52, the Mod 0 would definately be cool in 6.5 G. They in fact had experimented with a version of the Mod 0 in 6.8 which you may have already been aware of. That info is also in the Black Rifle II. You will also note that many of the earliest Mk 12's came with the type D stock and the lower with the original gray finnish. Hence the M16A1 was the host weapon rather than the proposed M4. Many of the "newer" Mk 12's feilded by the marines that I have seen seem to have the E stock and a black A1 lower. If you were a fan of Tactical Arms when it was on you will note that the Mk 12 featured in it's respective segment was built on a Nodak lower.

JPCTR02, thanks for the compliment! I really love this gun and preffer it to the other AR weapons I have.

[LRRPF52]

I've always liked this set-up:



I have to say that I've never noticed one with Type D stock. Do you have any pics of those? I would think that the Type D's had been fully replaced by Type E's, and then A2 stocks by the time they started putting the SPR program together. In my first unit, we had M16A1's, but they all had A2 furniture on them. That was in 1994-1995, and in late 1995, we got A2's, which I didn't like.

[taggor]

LRRPF52, here are couple with the type "D" stock. These images are public domain from the net:

[txgunner00]

Nice rifle.

[LRRPF52]

Sho nuff! Those are definitely Type D's. Who wouldda thunk?

[bwaites]

That second photo is a SEAL from San Diegos detachment that Chris Kyle (who wrote American Sniper, and has the most confirmed kills of any American sniper) was in.

[LRRPF52]

That second photo is a SEAL from San Diegos detachment that Chris Kyle (who wrote American Sniper, and has the most confirmed kills of any American sniper) was in.

The most confirmed kills that any American Sniper is willing to write books about. It wouldn't surprise me if there are many more from USASOC and JSOC who simply will stay silent about it for the next 25 years, especially thinking about Fallujah, Ramadi, and a few other mudholes in CENTCOM.

If you recall the Grenada Invasion, Hollywood approached certain units within the Army who had actually rescued US hostages at the Medical University, including guys from 75th Ranger Regiment. They were flatly turned down.

As a result, they turned to another source, and made the movie, Heartbreak Ridge with Clint Eastwood. Many of the scenes in that movie are composites of action executed by Rangers and SEALs, with regards to the rescue of US citizens from True Blue Campus, and the use of a credit card and land line to phone up a parent unit in the States to arrange for Close Air Support from an AC-130.

[bwaites]

The most confirmed kills that any American Sniper is willing to write books about. It wouldn't surprise me if there are many more from USASOC and JSOC who simply will stay silent about it for the next 25 years, especially thinking about Fallujah, Ramadi, and a few other mudholes in CENTCOM.

If you recall the Grenada Invasion, Hollywood approached certain units within the Army who had actually rescued US hostages at the Medical University, including guys from 75th Ranger Regiment. They were flatly turned down.

As a result, they turned to another source, and made the movie, Heartbreak Ridge with Clint Eastwood. Many of the scenes in that movie are composites of action executed by Rangers and SEALs, with regards to the rescue of US citizens from True Blue Campus, and the use of a credit card and land line to phone up a parent unit in the States to arrange for Close Air Support from an AC-130.

VERY TRUE! As I read it, I was actually surprised at how open he was, particularly as he runs a high profile security business. He is easy to find, and I would think that puts his family at significant risk.

I hope he has good OpSEC around them, because I know, based on the security around public figures, how hard it must be to maintain security around children AND try to have normal lives for them.

[LRRPF52]

Marines with Mk12 SPR in action:

[video=youtube;PBA6H0VXzqw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBA6H0VXzqw&feature=related[/video]

[LightningII]

The most confirmed kills that any American Sniper is willing to write books about. It wouldn't surprise me if there are many more from USASOC and JSOC who simply will stay silent about it for the next 25 years, especially thinking about Fallujah, Ramadi, and a few other mudholes in CENTCOM.

If you recall the Grenada Invasion, Hollywood approached certain units within the Army who had actually rescued US hostages at the Medical University, including guys from 75th Ranger Regiment. They were flatly turned down.

As a result, they turned to another source, and made the movie, Heartbreak Ridge with Clint Eastwood. Many of the scenes in that movie are composites of action executed by Rangers and SEALs, with regards to the rescue of US citizens from True Blue Campus, and the use of a credit card and land line to phone up a parent unit in the States to arrange for Close Air Support from an AC-130.

sniper body counts depend on "confirmed kills", which are more easily confirmed in some instances than others. Carlos Hathcock, working way out in the boonies, undoubtedly had a bunch of unconfirmed. The guys in urban environments, especially with modern drones doing battlefield surveillance, likely get a higher % of confirmations. I, too, was stunned to see Chris Kyle just put himself out in public like he did.
There's a guy named Dalton Fury ( pseudonym) who claims to be some spooky Delta bin Laden hunter. That dude is careful to never show his face, real deal or not.

[LRRPF52]

sniper body counts depend on "confirmed kills", which are more easily confirmed in some instances than others. Carlos Hathcock, working way out in the boonies, undoubtedly had a bunch of unconfirmed. The guys in urban environments, especially with modern drones doing battlefield surveillance, likely get a higher % of confirmations. I, too, was stunned to see Chris Kyle just put himself out in public like he did.
There's a guy named Dalton Fury ( pseudonym) who claims to be some spooky Delta bin Laden hunter. That dude is careful to never show his face, real deal or not.

Yeah, "Dalton Fury" was PNG'd as a result from the unit. His book describes some detailed methods and techniques that people preferred not to have revealed, among many things. I couldn't make it through his book, to be honest. My main interest was the fact that they were denied from interdicting Osama as he escaped to Pakistan.

If we want to talk confirmed kills, then Simo Häyhä is the "record-holder", and he did it in an extremely short time period that would be questioned nowadays, but he had the most target-rich environment of Russians who were coming through his kill zones in wave after wave, presented nicely against a white background in the Winter War of 1939-1940.

[usmc1371]

im sure kyles command had a big part in editing his book.

[usmc1371]

i got kyles book on my kindle. i cant wait to read it.

[LRRPF52]

i got kyles book on my kindle. i cant wait to read it.

If your talking about Lamb, he doesn't discuss anything really about the unit. His books are simply marksmanship/practical gunfighting resources, and very good for the layman and long-time shooter alike.

[taggor]

If your talking about Lamb, he doesn't discuss anything really about the unit. His books are simply marksmanship/practical gunfighting resources, and very good for the layman and long-time shooter alike.

I am sure he meant Chris Kyle. Not Kyle Lamb. Thanks for the vid with the Maries. I think as most SPEC OPS units move toward other weapons for recon and light sniper platforms, most of the Mk 12 platforms will end up as DMR's for many squads considering the age of the system.

[LRRPF52]

A lot of guys who can pick and choose from a variety of platforms just use 77gr Mk262 in a free-floated M4A1 SOPMOD Block II's, since the performance difference at distance isn't so huge to justify the 18" barrel over the 14.5" barrel, while lugging the 18" barrel around all the time is a significant performance limiter in the maneuverability game, especially working in and out of vehicles and buildings day after day.

[taggor]

A couple of updates for March 2012. I finally have the left and right sides of the handguard where I want them to be with two quick release sling swivel mounts on the right side, a DD 1'o-clock offest rail on the left, and a Vortex Optics spare battery carrier on the left. Initially I had used KAC's quick release swivel mounts but went to DD mounts since the rotation is limited and keeps the sling from getting twisted. Why two mounts? When I have the bipod attached the mount closest to the reciever allowes for a forward grip in front of the swivel mount and without the bipod attached the sling gets moved up to the second slot. It just makes for better tension than when at the slot at the reciever and allows the sling to be left at one adjustment. Maybe unessessary but, I like it like this. Finally I had cut various lenghts of KAC panels to clean up the rails to fit between these accessories. The A1 type E stock is back which I think makes the rifle a bit handier with the shorter length. It seems to balance well with this stock too. A colapseable makes it a bit heavy in the front. I recently used this rifle in competition at the end of March 2012 as you see it here without the bipod and running 15 round mags and it performed well until my extractor broke.

[BluntForceTrauma]

Those are damn near the coolest gun photos I've ever seen. Great eye for photography, man!

Oh, yeah, cool gun, too.

John