Not much in Grendel innovation this year. A new cartridge from Remington a new bullet (maybe) from Barnes, but that is it. No Amend2 Grendel magazines yet after appearing at SS2019. No new rifles or barrels.
Has Grendel reached its peak in popularity? Is Grendel going to fade away now for other hot new offerings? Has 6.5 Creedmoor won the battle for 6.5 in America?
Lots of offerings in .300blk. There is still interest in alternate ar15 loadings, but .224 Valkyrie is not being represented either this year, after 3 years of heavy promotion.
It looks like Grendel just went into the books as a never made it main stream and drifted off into curmudgeons and obscurity.
Who here has got the scoop on new Grendel products?
Think I seen a vid are 2 on ar15com showing 6.5 grendel rifles.
How much more do you want the grendel to become main stream? I'm mean dang just about every company already makes a upper or rifle are sales a barrel chambered in it.
Some of the last big name ammo company's are coming online.
Just what does it need to become main stream in your eyes?
I have a 6.5 creedmoor. It's a nice rifle and great cartridge but a bit overhyped in my book.
224 valkyrie never seemed worth the trouble to me.
don't see much new-hyped-up-snazzy on 308's either...
So what does this prove -- not much.
Do you like or see a need in your arsenal for a grendel?
I do and many others.
We're getting new mbrs and old questions from new folks all the time here in the forum.
New builds and new uppers/full rifles being talked about from the new buyers.
All of that works for me just fine.
'Course I've never been a follow the crowd -- do what's the latest groupie thing, kind of guy.
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I think most manufacturer's have accepted people tend to build their AR's instead of buying factory, save for the higher end guys like LaRue and KAC and such. Barrels, bolts and mags are about all we need. New bullets would be nice, new powders would be amazing, but the Grendel as a whole is pretty well supported. It's also built around the AR15 platform, so most of the bolt companies are probably not entering the realm that already haven't.
The Grendel is much more "mainstream" now than when many of us started with the cartridge. Howa, CZ and Ruger all have more than one model boltaction Grendel available. I may be wrong but I suspect more AR companies are offering the Grendel as an option. Ammo is more plentiful as are reloading die choices.
More small ammo manufactures have ammo available, Bigger name ammo companies have and are making more ammo choices available. I say our little cartridge has been representing it's self quite well.
The hunting forums I frequent have more discussions about the Grendel now than I believe ever before, and this forum is growing. On Ammoseek the Grendel has been in the top 10 searched cartridges for quite some time.
Some cartridges take a long time to reach the popularity they deserve, but many good ones eventually do and some do not. Then there are some that are a flop and instant collectors item from the get go.
Back in 1982 when I bought my first 7mm-08 I had to drive to the next town to an LGS to find one box of ammo. I bought that box/bullets/powder/dies at the same time so I could have ammo. Now look at that round, but it took years to get popular.
Just looking at some of the ammo manufactures with Grendel offerings.
Hornady at least 4 now I think
PPU 2 Glad to see them back in the game
Wolf one or two
Remington 2
Nosler 4
Barnes 2
Federal 3 or more
Plus a lot of smaller companies
And we now have more brass options than ever.
Just because you do not see X many new offerings for things for a certain cartridge at SHOT does not mean it is not still growing in the mainstream. Companies make a lot of their money promoting the next new thing while paying for those promotions and R&D with things they know will make them $.
A5BLASTER Wrote:How much more do you want the grendel to become main stream? I'm mean dang just about every company already makes a upper or rifle are sales a barrel chambered in it.
Some of the last big name ammo company's are coming online.
Just what does it need to become main stream in your eyes?
Stanc. What the heck does a prototype never adopted weapon have to do with mainstream civilian sales?
Despite what gun mags and perrty faces on tv want you and others to believe, most gun owners don't base their rifle cartridge of choice on what the military uses.
So again I'm going to ask. What does a failed rifle cartridge in a never adopted weapon package have to do with being a main stream civilian rifle cartridge.
I'm not going to respond after this as too not allow a argument to start and trash the OP's thread.
When I first started shooting Grendel maybe 3 years ago, I pretty much had to buy ammo online. Then the local Academy Sports would occasionally have a box or two of Hornady Black in stock. Then they would usually have 3 or more boxes in stock. Couple of months back, they had 8 or 10 boxes.
Last week, they had several boxes of Federal Fusion, and 30-50 boxes of Hornady Black.
A5BLASTER Wrote:Stanc. What the heck does a prototype never adopted weapon have to do with mainstream civilian sales?
It is not a prototype. Production models are offered for both military and civilian markets.
A5BLASTER Wrote:So again I'm going to ask. What does a failed rifle cartridge in a never adopted weapon package have to do with being a main stream civilian rifle cartridge.
It's an example of the innovation asked about by the OP. That "failed" cartridge has been the subject of more innovation, experienced more civilian sales, and been adopted by more of the world's military than has 6.5 Grendel.
(And I'm just answering your questions, not trying to start a Grendel vs SPC argument.)
BluntForceTrauma Wrote:A small company, but Fort Scott Munitions showed their new 6.5 Grendel ammo prominently in a whole corner of their booth with a dedicated video.
There is something new. But at $1.75 per round I?m not going to stock up. So they got a nice hunting round that shooters will buy no more than 5 boxes a year of. IMO this won?t be available for very long when they find out how poor the sales are going to be. Get yours now before they are gone, and we have to go back to Wolf for tumbling on impact ammunition.
Agree, I can't imagine the expensive boutique 6.5 Grendel rounds such as Fort Scott and Underwood Ammo are going to outsell Hornady and Federal and PPU and now, Remington. Not to mention Wolf 6.5 Grendel steel-case.
Of the alternative calibers in the AR, 6.5 Grendel is gonna battle it out with .300 Blackout for supremacy. I suspect .300 BLK will gain the edge if it gets cheap steel-case ammo. But that doesn't mean 65G will fade, on the contrary, 65G will always be a strong second and might even surpass .300 BLK after people realize its limitations. Grendel has too much going for it -- near-.308 Winchester ballistics in a much-smaller case and in the AR15 platform. 224 Valkyrie won't really go any where. 6.8 SPC will slowly fade.
Barnes, for example, released their 6.5 Grendel boxed ammuntion. Nothing, for example, in 6.8 SPC, that I'm aware of.
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OneHitWonder Wrote:There is something new. But at $1.75 per round I?m not going to stock up. So they got a nice hunting round that shooters will buy no more than 5 boxes a year of. IMO this won?t be available for very long when they find out how poor the sales are going to be. Get yours now before they are gone, and we have to go back to Wolf for tumbling on impact ammunition.
They apparently don't really have that great of a hunting round as you intimate. They rely on their bullet doing nothing more than tumbling because the base is heavier than the point and the bullet is easily upset when it hits a different medium. Tumbling is not a good way to cause the tissue damage most hunters want. Call it what it is....non-expanding ball ammo. Who really wants to hunt with that?
BluntForceTrauma Wrote:A small company, but Fort Scott Munitions showed their new 6.5 Grendel ammo prominently in a whole corner of their booth with a dedicated video.
Double Naught Spy Wrote:Actually, no, Fort Scott isn't new. They have been around and selling bullets and ammo since prior to January 15, 2017. So it has been around for a while. http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthrea...fort+scott
They apparently don't really have that great of a hunting round as you intimate. They rely on their bullet doing nothing more than tumbling because the base is heavier than the point and the bullet is easily upset when it hits a different medium. Tumbling is not a good way to cause the tissue damage most hunters want. Call it what it is....non-expanding ball ammo. Who really wants to hunt with that?
So it is not a hunting round then. Why would a target round need to tumble?
I might pay over a $1.00 per for Black Hills ammo, but I can?t think of any other I would be willing to for. Come on Black Hills get in the Grendel game again.
OneHitWonder Wrote:So it is not a hunting round then. Why would a target round need to tumble?
I might pay over a $1.00 per for Black Hills ammo, but I can?t think of any other I would be willing to for. Come on Black Hills get in the Grendel game again.
Why would a hunting round need to tumble?
I'm kind of lost. There are plenty of ammo hunting options and non of them are designed to tumble.
Yea would be nice if black hills would start making grendel ammo again. But I'm not paying a dollar around for any ammo.
Well I shouldn't say I won't because I did pay that to test the new Remington grendel ammo for the horde. But I'm not paying it again to keep it stocked in my gun safe
BluntForceTrauma Wrote:A small company, but Fort Scott Munitions showed their new 6.5 Grendel ammo prominently in a whole corner of their booth with a dedicated video.
Double Naught Spy Wrote:Actually, no, Fort Scott isn't new. They have been around and selling bullets and ammo since prior to January 15, 2017. So it has been around for a while. http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthrea...fort+scott
They apparently don't really have that great of a hunting round as you intimate. They rely on their bullet doing nothing more than tumbling because the base is heavier than the point and the bullet is easily upset when it hits a different medium. Tumbling is not a good way to cause the tissue damage most hunters want. Call it what it is....non-expanding ball ammo. Who really wants to hunt with that?
A5BLASTER Wrote:Why would a hunting round need to tumble?
I'm kind of lost. There are plenty of ammo hunting options and non of them are designed to tumble.
Yea would be nice if black hills would start making grendel ammo again. But I'm not paying a dollar around for any ammo.
Well I shouldn't say I won't because I did pay that to test the new Remington grendel ammo for the horde. But I'm not paying it again to keep it stocked in my gun safe
OneHitWonder Wrote:So it is not a hunting round then. Why would a target round need to tumble?
A manufacturer might not, but a hunter might prefer it to do something, anything, more than pencil through flesh.
I'm referring to the problem Blackout users face when trying to hunt with heavy subsonic bullets. Match bullets are not designed to open-up and 30cal hunting bullets don't open-up below a certain velocity; originally designed for faster calibers like 308. I've hunted with a variety of heavy 30cal bullets subsonic and they are all poor cousins of dedicated supersonic hunting rounds. In the end settling on the 220SMK match rounds because at least it tumbles on hitting flesh. The rest pencil through and leave the animal wounded. If the choice of weapon/calibre is fixed then the most humane decision is to choose the bullet that does the most damage, all other things being equal.
OneHitWonder Wrote:Not much in Grendel innovation this year. A new cartridge from Remington a new bullet (maybe) from Barnes, but that is it. No Amend2 Grendel magazines yet after appearing at SS2019. No new rifles or barrels.
Has Grendel reached its peak in popularity? Is Grendel going to fade away now for other hot new offerings? Has 6.5 Creedmoor won the battle for 6.5 in America?
Lots of offerings in .300blk. There is still interest in alternate ar15 loadings, but .224 Valkyrie is not being represented either this year, after 3 years of heavy promotion.
It looks like Grendel just went into the books as a never made it main stream and drifted off into curmudgeons and obscurity.
Who here has got the scoop on new Grendel products?
