Best Combat Optics

[cory]

Check out the Browe Combat Optic if you are looking for an improvement on the ACOG. It measures the light at
the target and adjusts the brightness of it's chevron or crosshairs so you have the correct brightness and do not wash out your aiming point.
About the same cost as the ACOG. I am really thinking about getting one for my FS2000. I am looking at
something like a 2-8 or 2-10 for my next Grendel. I like the FS2000 for my CQB or house gun and the Grendel will be more a DMR.

http://www.browe-inc.com/categories/4x32...%28BCO%29/

Interesting, but I'd never pay that for these type of optics. For that price I can buy another Razor 1-6x or a little more I can get the NF 2.5-10x42. I got my ACOG in a barter where I was out of pocket $600 in cash. $600 is right about what I think these type of optics are worth, based on what else is available in the market.

[LRRPF52]

That Browe is from a guy who worked at Tricon for 16 years as director of operations:

BROWE, Inc was founded in 2009 by Brian K. Browe, former Director of Operations of Trijicon, Inc. Mr. Browe has over 16 years experience in manufacturing combat and tactical optics with extensive experience in all aspects of the business. BROWE, Inc. was founded on a simple idea of building the ultimate combat optic. Two years of extensive research and development resulted in the 4x32 BROWE Combat Optic.

At first I was wondering how they are getting away with knocking off ACOG's, but it looks like there is more to the story.

[WildBill3/75]

Check out the Browe Combat Optic if you are looking for an improvement on the ACOG. It measures the light at
the target and adjusts the brightness of it's chevron or crosshairs so you have the correct brightness and do not wash out your aiming point.
About the same cost as the ACOG. I am really thinking about getting one for my FS2000. I am looking at
something like a 2-8 or 2-10 for my next Grendel. I like the FS2000 for my CQB or house gun and the Grendel will be more a DMR.

http://www.browe-inc.com/categories/4x32...%28BCO%29/

That looks pretty neat, the housing is made out of Ti too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSRPGaIPXXU

edit---For this price range I'd rather get a nightforce compact.

[LRRPF52]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQdgE9K3ZLc

[video]http://youtu.be/wQdgE9K3ZLc[/video]

Looks like eye relief is very short, the way Rob Pincus has it set up.

[cory]

I'm going to be interested to see what the reliability is for all these electronics on the browe, particularly the sensor that adjusts the brightness of the chevron.

[babue]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQdgE9K3ZLc

[video]http://youtu.be/wQdgE9K3ZLc[/video]

Looks like eye relief is very short, the way Rob Pincus has it set up.

Eye relief is listed as the same as an ACOG. If you shop around I have seen one for just less than $1000, new
I wish I would have picked one up.
Browe started the company because he had ideas that would improve the product but Trijicon, is a large company,
that sells all it can make and was not interested.
American industry at work, if you have a better idea, go for it.

[WildBill3/75]

Eye relief is listed as the same as an ACOG. If you shop around I have seen one for just less than $1000, new
I wish I would have picked one up.
Browe started the company because he had ideas that would improve the product but Trijicon, is a large company,
that sells all it can make and was not interested.
American industry at work, if you have a better idea, go for it.

TA11 3.5x is around 2.5" eye relief...1.5" is complete garbage and one of the reasons I'd never personally own a 4x acog.

[Klem]

TA11 3.5x is around 2.5" eye relief...1.5" is complete garbage and one of the reasons I'd never personally own a 4x acog.

Never have liked the ACOGs for that reason. I value my eye socket too much.

[explorecaves]

I'm going to be interested to see what the reliability is for all these electronics on the browe, particularly the sensor that adjusts the brightness of the chevron.

If it is built to mil-spec standards, I am positive it will be fine. There are plenty of surface mount photodiodes that are incredibly robust. Throw in some dense foam potting around the board/components and it can easily survive several G's of shock.

[cory]

If it is built to mil-spec standards, I am positive it will be fine. There are plenty of surface mount photodiodes that are incredibly robust. Throw in some dense foam potting around the board/components and it can easily survive several G's of shock.

Oh I didn't doubt that. I was referring to long term use. i.e. 6-12 month deployment.

[Variable]

Never have liked the ACOGs for that reason. I value my eye socket too much.

I'm not crazy about that part either, but I begrudgingly live with it. I use them on 5.56 and slide it as far back as I can. With a Matech or KAC BUIS I end up NTCH for a sight picture. I definitely wish they could squeak out another inch or two!

On my 14.5" Grendel I use a NF 2.5-10 instead. Unfortunately I won't be buying any more of them with their current pricing.

[Variable]

Oh I didn't doubt that. I was referring to long term use. i.e. 6-12 month deployment.

I just looked at their .308 reticle. http://www.browe-inc.com/products/BCO%25...ticle.html

It lists an eye relief of 37mm. That's 1.457 inch.... No thanks. I ain't putting my eye that close to a .308!

[Variable]

I don't remember mentioning anything about Minox. Must have been someone else.

I didn't get to look at much in terms of optics at this year's SHOT. I had a lot of appointments with people on things related to Grendel.

My biggest issues with ACOG's are the eye relief, way too short, and exit pupil, way too small. They make great robust scopes for soldiers for general issue that take a beating, but are not preferred by trained shooters when the option of a variable power is there.

I must be losing it. Maybe it was gr8fuldoug? I tried searching but can't find it. I thought someone said Minox was bringing out a 1-8X tactical style optic. Nevermind. I've officially gone batty these days!

[Tony Williams]

Thanks. I thought I had to be doing the conversion wrong. Somehow I latched onto 15.43 grams = 1 ounce.

15.432 grains = 1 gram.

[Drifter]

I thought someone said Minox was bringing out a 1-8X tactical style optic. Nevermind. I've officially gone batty these days!

Link: http://www.minox.com/index.php?id=10674&L=02

[stanc]

Thanks. I thought I had to be doing the conversion wrong. Somehow I latched onto 15.43 grams = 1 ounce.

15.432 grains = 1 gram.

Oh, swell. So in addition to suffering from CRS, now I'm developing aixelsyd...

[LRRPF52]

That Minox 1-8x looks like a very promising system:

[Variable]

Link: http://www.minox.com/index.php?id=10674&L=02

That's it! I can't remember where I saw a brief description of it posted, but anywhoo--- It got me hot and bothered!

My great hope is that it doesn't end up being insanely priced.....



ETA: http://www.all4shooters.com/en/specials/.../Minox-zp/

An MSRP of €2499!!!!!! Gee that's only $3,475.11 USD!!!!!! Aaaagggghhh!!!!:mad:

[Buck2732]

That's it! I can't remember where I saw a brief description of it posted, but anywhoo--- It got me hot and bothered!

My great hope is that it doesn't end up being insanely priced.....



ETA: http://www.all4shooters.com/en/specials/.../Minox-zp/

An MSRP of €2499!!!!!! Gee that's only $3,475.11 USD!!!!!! Aaaagggghhh!!!!:mad:

Its come down a bit... not much.

http://www.eurooptic.com/minox-zp8-tac-1...66590.aspx

[jonny rotton]

i have gone with a leupold vx6 on my 16" grendel. its light enough yet on 1x with the red dot on it is smoking fast at close range multiple targets. the very center dot is 1/2 moa.
its very precise for longer range work. i love it. my whole scoped rifle only weighs 7.25 pounds.