Grendel mags?

[stanc]

I'm not a GI, never served. But my impression is that "Hey Joe, toss me a mag" is not that uncommon.

I think it is relatively rare for individuals to run completely dry, although in some situations it certainly can happen.

If you're interested, check youtube for Irag and Afghan combat vids. Of those I've watched, I don't recall any with a grunt tossing (or even handing) a mag to a comrade.

[stanc]

Wow, you looked GOOD!! That's one squared away, square jawed Norseman right there!

Indeed. Good looking, physically fit, and highly intelligent.

And on top of all that, he's also a talented seamstress!

I never looked near as good, even when in my tank.

[bwaites]

Indeed. Good looking, physically fit, and highly intelligent.

And on top of all that, he's also a talented seamstress!

I never looked near as good, even when in my tank.

I don't know, pretty sharp there, Stan!!

[stanc]

I don't know, pretty sharp there, Stan!!

Regular Army tankers wore a CVC (combat vehicle crewman) helmet, but in the Guard we just had a soft cap and headset. Always thought that gave us a somewhat "Afrika Korps" look.

[LRRPF52]

Nice Sun, Wind, and Dust Goggles Stan. Good thing you didn't have BCG's (Birth-Control Glasses) on in that picture...

On mags: I've seen some rather tight-knit hooahs do behind-the-head simultaneous mag tosses to each other from a prone position during consolidation and reorganization on the Limit Of Advance on an objective during live-fire exercises. The guy that drove the training in that platoon was from 2nd Ranger Battalion, and had also attended SOT with a certain unit. We learned a lot from him...very good dude.

[stanc]

Nice Sun, Wind, and Dust Goggles Stan.

Yeah. Really needed 'em, too. It's amazing how much dust and debris gets kicked up by the tracks when tearing up the desert.

[RangerRick]

Indeed. Good looking, physically fit, and highly intelligent.

And on top of all that, he's also a talented seamstress!

I never looked near as good, even when in my tank.

Geez, no CVC? The Guard was really poorly equipped before 9/11. Is that an M-48 A5?

Yeah, that's a nice, clean, tight rig to be toting all that gear.

RR

[stanc]

Geez, no CVC? The Guard was really poorly equipped before 9/11. Is that an M-48 A5?

That photo was taken long before 9/11. It was shortly after the Vietnam War. Mid-1975, actually, and the tank is an old, 90mm gun M48A1. We got the 105mm gun M48A5 the following year.

A bit of trivia for those who aren't familiar with the subject: the M48A1 had a gasoline engine, which produced a very visible exhaust flame at night! :eek:

The exhaust ports were located on top of the back deck, just below the rear of the turret overhang.

[JBBushman]

I'm not a GI, never served. But my impression is that "Hey Joe, toss me a mag" is not that uncommon. Not run over it with a truck, or even 10 foot drop onto concrete.

But I don't want one that spews cartridges if jarred. Which early poly mags (ram-line) did. And as do PMAGs loaded with over 15 rounds of Grendel. Yes, not a fair comparison on the pmag, it was not designed for grendel.) I'm talking 4" drop onto a carpeted shooting bench, they would spew!

I have a bunch of pmags for 5.56. They work fine, just as reliably as the GI & Cprod alloy ones do. And just like my Cprod grendel ones do. I don't see a huge advantage, and I do see some disadvantages. (pouch fit, feed lip flex, etc)

I would say you are absolutely correct about drops onto concrete. I don't see any outside(Nawbahar, AFG) and come to think of it haven't seen any in a couple months.

[kLewis]

As a guy seriously considering getting into the Grendel, I'd like a little clarity here. Are you guys saying that the C-Products mag (the only ones on the market) are not reliable when loaded to full capacity?

I've seen some things in this thread about buying 17 rounders and loading them to 10 rounds, and then they're "completely reliable", and similar with different combinations. That's total bunk. Either they work at full capacity or they don't work reliably. So what's the current state of affairs, in plain English?

[LRRPF52]

ASC is now the maker of Grendel mags, and D&H is making them too, but I haven't seen them yet. All my CProducts mags are fine, but some have made it out of the factory with improper feed lip geometry, which equals failure-to-feed. I just dealt with an ASC magazine with that same problem, so I don't know what the QC process is. Every new GI Mag I've used or owned has always had correct feed lips, so maybe D&H will fix the QC issues with theirs...remains to be seen.

Short story: Most work, some don't...

[bwaites]

As a guy seriously considering getting into the Grendel, I'd like a little clarity here. Are you guys saying that the C-Products mag (the only ones on the market) are not reliable when loaded to full capacity?

I've seen some things in this thread about buying 17 rounders and loading them to 10 rounds, and then they're "completely reliable", and similar with different combinations. That's total bunk. Either they work at full capacity or they don't work reliably. So what's the current state of affairs, in plain English?

Metal bends, so the QC sometimes is iffy. That said. I haven't had a bad mag in the last 3-4 years, although others have reported issues from time to time, like LRRPF52 above. Everyone seems to be able to fix them with a little tweaking on the lips, so its not a huge issue. The 17 rounders were NEVER a good fit, (they had a funny bend in the body that the follower had problems with) and Alexander never carried them because of it. 5, 10, and 26 rounders all are very reliable, minus the oddity like LRRPF52 found.

I've had issues with some GI mags from time to time, but always have been able to fix them, too.

I haven't seen the D&H mags either.

The biggest issue is what you are using it for. If you are a high speed guy who has to rely on his rifle for his life, thats a lot different than paper punchers or hunting like most of us use them. I'd be reluctant to take anything to war that I felt wasn't absolutely reliable, and I would make sure my mags functioned 100%, and I would check new mags to do the same.

[LRRPF52]

Here are pics of yut-yut's ASC mag, before I fixed the right feed lip. You can clearly see the different angle in the right lip, which made the right side cartridges fail to feed, while the bolt rode over them and dug deeply into the Lapua brass.

The thought going through my mind as I dealt with this mag, was..

"How did this leave the factory?" As demand for this cartridge begins to sky-rocket, these makers are going to need to get their QC straight.

[ss355]

kLewis, I believe that part of the issue is that the mag capacity for some of the C Prod mags is overstated. I purchased a handful of "15" round mags and discovered that I could squeeze no more than 14 rounds in the mag. To get 15 rounds in I had to shorten the follower legs, and even with that modification, that 15th round was tight.

That said, my C Prod mags run just fine.

[txgunner00]

I have the same issue with my C products 10 & 15 round mags- all 1 short. Other than that they have been fine.

[kLewis]

Well, I look at the mags as being 5/10/25 rounders, no matter what odd number is advertised, so 25 in a "26 round" mag is ok. Looking at that mag lip, the tweek seems pretty minor and obvious. Still, seeing a D&H mag hit production would be nice, though given what happened with the 6.8 D&Hs I'd wait for a review, I think.

Thank you all for your input and clarifications. Hopefully, now that things are totally opened up (SAAMI), more companies will jump into it.

[pinzgauer]

You can clearly see the different angle in the right lip

Sure looks like it got dropped somewhere along the line. The way the lips would be formed on a mandrel, I don't see a way for that to be a mfg defect.

[stanc]

http://shop.lcjwholesalestore.com/30-RD-...gazine.htm

[Hoot]

I recently picked up an AR Stoner 10-rd Grendel mag for deer hunting and I must say, the workmanship and functionality is very good. It allows up to 2.30 COL loads if you chose. Just a FWIW.

One of the days, I hunted a long stretch (100 yd each way) logging trail where the deer had been coming up up from a cedar swamp, but did not get a chance to bloody the Grendel. We had poor conditions 4 out of 5 days with gale force winds keeping the deer hunkered down. Oh well...

The other four days, were in thick cover and for that I used my 450 Bushmaster upper. Also no shots. A disappointing year. I could have shot a pair of yearlings who kept coming around opening morning, but wanted something bigger than a couple of 70 pounders. Now, looking back, they would have been preferential to coming home empty handed I guess. Looks like a year with no deer chili for ole Hoot.

[LRRPF52]

Hoot, I suspect the AR-Stoner mags might be CProducts, with AR-Stoner (Midway) stamped floor plates. Maybe you can compare the two? Do the AR-Stoner Grendel mags have blue followers with "6.5" on them?