PDW trunk gun quest

[jwilson1985]

ya the gat stock which erik the ceo and owner came up with is really awesome that stock will fully extend out and collapse against the reciver if u have a rifle with a 16" barrel it would be the same length as a 10.5" sbr with the stock collapsed it comes with a different buffer and tube but still uses the stock bcg

[jwilson1985]

i will see if i cant get some for ya ...if you look in the background of the pic i posted up with the shot receiver u can see it behind it

[LRRPF52]

I have some vehicle Immediate Action Drills for shooting 360 degrees from within the car, whether you are the driver, passenger, or rear passengers. You are most vulnerable from the rear blind spots, so I have worked out some shooting positions and drills going from a normal seated posture, to being able to engage targets from any aspect from within the car. I would love to do some drills with that system...it's perfect for the car. I would probably run it with heavier projectiles for good reliability with the short dwell time, unless using a can. A reflex can from under a mid-length tube will look like an MP5SDA3 with that stock. Daddy likes it...Put a Micro RDS on top, and we're GTG.

[jwilson1985]

thats what its for :-) and yes mp5ish lol though my sack hasent dropped enough to put it on the beowulf lol

[LRRPF52]

That would be so fun to hand to an unsuspecting shooter at the range with one round of Beo only...Some guys enjoy handing a 5.56 mag to folks trying out their Beo's, and watching the look on their face as they hit the bolt catch and watch the entire cartridge fly out the muzzle downrange... he he he! Maybe put a recoil spring on the stock itself for the Beo...

I volunteer to do the video. I'm a recoil-insensitive shooter...I thought .270 Winchester out of a Featherweight was a plinking cartridge as a kid.

[jwilson1985]

ya i hear ya my first rifle was a 300 win mag

[JASmith]

Me too!

Ever use a .378 for rabbit hunting? Hitting a running rabbit at 100 yards was an interesting experience.

It is one of the reasons I can comfortably say that I do not need to routinely shoot the big ones! I could shoot that sucker from a bench, but the lightweight barrel made getting 3-inch groups at 100 yards a real challenge. I got a .222 Magnum about the time I went on active duty -- and may have shot the big one once or twice after that.

At another time, I learned that most of our southwestern cuisine of the late '60's was mild compared to that of Northern Thailand. The experiences helped me learn that there is always someone who has a rougher time or is meaner and badder or both

[jwilson1985]

here ya go...

[LRRPF52]

That is way cool. Wonder if one of those neoprene sleeves is in order for the extension tube....

[jwilson1985]

im sure you could ,its the same size about.. but i dont know if the stock would clear it when it fully collapsed. the stock will go all the way to that plate that holds the rods for it

[jwilson1985]

http://youtu.be/kyHdKEV5AIk finally ready

[txgunner00]

Do want!!!

[Texas Sheepdawg]

I wish we had some glass data on the Wolf 120 MPT and the Hornady 123's out of the Grendel. I guess I should load up the 120 Barne's bullets, but I'm poor and lazy, so I'd rather sit on my current stash if they were sufficient.

Hey Variable, if you get a chance check out my pictures. It's here
http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthrea...ndel/page3
Post #75
If these Wolf 120s MPT can do this to 7/16" steel, I would think a windshield wouldn't stand a chance.

[Texas Sheepdawg]

Wow... Well said! X10!

My replies are below. I'm not trying to antagonize or belittle you, heck I don't even entirely disagree with you. I just don't see anyone here having anything to worry about at the level we currently discuss things.


To a certain degree I agree with you on that point, but the only thing that can be done about it at this point in time is to shine the light on what they are doing wherever possible and motivate others to become involved politically to stop it. Kinda that whole Tea Party thing that is going on right now as we speak... Just rolling over and not discussing it certainly won't make it go away. Regardless of country. Silence and darkness are exactly the environmental conditions within which they thrive.



On that point you'd be in trouble with the rest of us by simply being registered and posting here-- if they were holding such a tight standard. Are you an NRA member?(don't feel obligated to answer!), if so: then you are already a card carrying member of a far more dangerous organization with many times more political involvement than the Grendel board. They'd need to round up 4 million card carrying members before they had to worry if they'd missed any here for mearly discussing how we think things are headed down the crapper.


They are welcome to "list" me as they like, they already have my photographs, finger prints, DNA, signatures, video, etc., etc., etc. What more could "they" want? :confused:


Any hypothetical future political entity so bent on tracking down possible dissidents (for political thought in conjunction/proximity to a gun board) would spend so much time backcrawling the great web cache that we'd die of natural causes first. Heck, just Arfcom alone would take at least a hundred years to unwind.

Could the U.S. have a dark political future ahead? You betcha, but only if we don't speak out truthfully and openly while educating others and actively participating in the legal political venues we still have currently open to us (as so brilliantly provided to us by the astoundingly prescient founding fathers our Creator saw fit to bless this nation with!!!!).

Only then, and IF that should fail, would we be ultimately forced to resort to our 2nd ammendment rights (as also so brilliantly provided by those wise old fellas!).

My Oath(s) were all sworn to uphold and protect the U.S. Constitution. I take them very seriously. No dictators or grand imperial leaders for me.

[sgt_murf]

But if I told what I use for a truck gun Variable would leave his mountaintop in WV and kick my door in...
Joking guys
I have thought of using for a Truck gun ---a 9mm Carbine to get home to the 5.56 and 30-06. But the best bet would be the 5.56mm in my simple opinion.

in a STHF scenerio of total social political breakdown my caliber choice would be 5.56/.223, .22LR, .30-06 or .308
my 2d worth

[JASmith]

sgt_murph

Those choices would suggest that someone expects to survive long enough to need resupply!

I've not followed the shtf forums but I suspect the serious folk have thought through things like defensible space, teams large enough to allow rotation of duty and sleep time, food growing or gathering, etc.

[stanc]

If these Wolf 120s MPT can do this to 7/16" steel, I would think a windshield wouldn't stand a chance.

Yes, and no. If the windshield is perpendicular to the bullet's path, as it was with the steel plate you shot, the MPT should have no difficulty penetrating.

The problems arise because the firing angle is usually at much less than 90 degrees. Combine that with the compound curvature on both windshield and bullet ogive, and there's a chance the projectile will be deflected from its original path when it hits the glass. If the angle is shallow enough, some bullets reportedly have even glanced off without penetrating.

One aspect of designing "barrier blind" rounds is to create a projectile that will experience minimal deviation from its path after punching through the windshield. Question is, how does the MPT (or any other Grendel load) do in this regard? Anyone have a spare windshield lying around?

[Texas Sheepdawg]

The Ruger PC 9 carbine with 33 round clips. Using Winchester Ranger ammo.

[OldCannon]

I think Sheepdawg has the right mindset. My objectives for a trunk gun would be:
1) Reasonably available caliber, rifle OR pistol
2) Something that I can tolerate being stolen (assuming some toads take some pry bars to my car while I'm not present) or lost (car succumbs to a flash flood, hurricane, etc.)
3) Something that allows me to scare off bad guys at least 50 yds away
4) Something that can be easily reloaded and manipulated in a confined environment (guess that means I won't be packin my flintlock )

Honestly, a Hi-Point rifle in 9mm or .40 would work just fine, or even an AK.

I honestly think Variable nailed it though. Try not to over-think this stuff

[JASmith]

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2) Something that I can tolerate being stolen (assuming some toads take some pry bars to my car while I'm not present) or lost (car succumbs to a flash flood, hurricane, etc.)
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A point many of us overlook!