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Police Shoot & Kill Grandfather While Responding To Burglary Call
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From what I have read, the officers involved were very inexperienced. It appears that they came on the force last October. They did respond within the range of their training, though maybe a bit over reacting. The shooting review board may clear them but they will have to live with the death of an innocent man on their hands for the rest of their lives. And it may cause them to hesitate when they should not.

Worst case is that the city council (city manager ran city with a weak mayor) may just opt to throw them under the bus. This has become national news. In the military no commander wants a soldier to create a "CNN moment".

Family says man killed by Fort Worth police was inside his garage


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Waller was pronounced dead at 1:26 a.m. Tuesday inside the attached garage of his residence at 404 Havenwood Lane North, the Tarrant County medical examiner’s office reported.

The medical examiner said the cause of death was “multiple gunshot wounds” and ruled the death a homicide. That means another person caused the death but does not imply that a crime occurred.

On Wednesday, the two officers were identified as R.A. Hoeppner and B.B. Hanlon. Both were commissioned in October, Peel said.

The officers will be represented by Vincent Wisely, staff attorney for the Combined Law Enforcement Associations of Texas.
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Wisely said he would not comment on details of the case.

“However, I will say that the officers involved did everything they were trained to do in responding to a very clear and direct threat upon their lives,” Wisely said in an email.

“Any time a police officer is forced to take a human life, it is painful not only for the family and friends of the precious life lost, but also for the police officer who has been placed in the unenviable position of having to defend his own life by the use of deadly force.”

Peel declined to answer whether one or both officers fired their weapons or whether Waller fired or threatened to fire his, stating “that’s part of the investigation.”

The investigation, conducted by the Major Case unit into the “critical police incident,” could take several weeks, Peel said, and then it will be forwarded through the chain of command before being reviewed by Police Chief Jeff Halstead.

Police have said the patrol officers were in uniform and driving marked cars when they responded to a report of a burglar alarm at 409 Havenwood Lane North, a house across the street from Waller’s, which is 404 Havenwood Lane North. Police have said they do not know why the officers ended up at Waller’s house, saying that was part of the investigation.

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The investigation, conducted by the Major Case unit into the “critical police incident,” could take several weeks, Peel said, and then it will be forwarded through the chain of command before being reviewed by Police Chief Jeff Halstead.

Police have said the patrol officers were in uniform and driving marked cars when they responded to a report of a burglar alarm at 409 Havenwood Lane North, a house across the street from Waller’s, which is 404 Havenwood Lane North. Police have said they do not know why the officers ended up at Waller’s house, saying that was part of the investigation.

NBC 5 and CBS 11 obtained recordings of radio communications between one officer and dispatchers. In it, the officer reported “shots fired” and requested an ambulance.

A dispatcher asked the officer his location, and he responded, “409 Havenwood.”

The officer described what happened. “I don’t know who the guy is,” he said. “The guy came out with a gun. He wouldn’t put the gun down. He pointed it at Hoeppner. Hoeppner fired.”

Becky Haskin, a former Fort Worth City Council member who lives two doors from the Wallers, said when the alarm went off inside the house at 409 Havenwood, the security company called another neighbor when no one answered at the house with the alarm.


http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/05/29/...-fort.html

Police shooting is cause for alarm
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A Fort Worth homeowner is dead, two police officers have been placed on routine administrative leave and once again the police chief is asking for patience as the department investigates another tragic event.

Jerry Waller, 72, was shot to death early Tuesday at his Woodhaven home after police responded to a burglary call for a house across the street. Two uniformed officers, both of whom had been on the force less than a year, saw Waller with a gun and “felt threatened,” resulting in police shooting the resident, according to a police spokeswoman.

Police have not said whether only one or perhaps both officers fired their weapons, but the medical examiner said Waller was shot multiple times. Although the department spokeswoman said the officers encountered the homeowner at the back of his house near the garage and driveway, the medical examiner said Waller was pronounced dead inside his garage.

At this point there are more questions than answers, and it would be unwise and unfair to jump to conclusions. But regardless of what the facts ultimately show, this is an alarming tragedy.

A family and neighborhood are in mourning for a loved one and friend, and two officers and their families are dealing with a life-changing incident that no member of the force ever wants to face.

Patience indeed is called for as investigators search for the truth, but this not a case in which Police Chief Jeff Halstead can expect the community to wait a long time for answers.

It’s imperative that the department act expeditiously and transparently to provide information about what happened.

In addition, police will have to re-examine issues like training — when to shoot or don’t shoot — and procedural and policy matters involving how inexperienced officers are dispatched and supervised.

A thorough review will be valuable for residents and police, who face the threat of danger every time they make a call or stop a car for speeding.

Even without knowing all the details, this event provides a clear lesson for those who own firearms, even for use in protecting their homes. Those weapons must be put away or surrendered when police arrive to take charge.
http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/05/29/...alarm.html
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Quote:Even without knowing all the details, this event provides a clear lesson for those who own firearms, even for use in protecting their homes. Those weapons must be put away or surrendered when police arrive to take charge.

We've had robberies near me targeting the elderly where perpetrators posed as uniformed police to gain entry. If you have any doubts or suspicions, know and call your local dispatch and confirm that they are legit before opening the door.
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LRRPF52 Wrote:We've had robberies near me targeting the elderly where perpetrators posed as uniformed police to gain entry. If you have any doubts or suspicions, know and call your local dispatch and confirm that they are legit before opening the door.

Nervous-making indeed. I've gotten to where I don't trust the uniforms even when I know they're legit. Training issues and rot in the (local) force.

On a side note, when did they start sending rookies out in pairs?
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#4
They started sending new kids out in pairs when the City's started treating tenured officers like garbage and they retired. Sad to say there will be more problems like this along with integrity issues as municipalities start hiring in large numbers.
Problems from Miami, New York, Chicago, L.A., etc. will come back as PD's try to fill empty positions in such large numbers that they can not control the training or quality of the recruit. Background investigations will be short or nearly non-existant, and new officers will be training new officers.
Not a very happy future until departments are not rookie heavy.
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#5
Even in better days the stats were not good. About 11% of police shootings are bad shoots. That compares to about 1% bad shoots by the public. Will Grigg the journalist keeps stats. If I remember correctly about 400 people are killed annually in bad shoots by police. Those deaths (and justifiable homicides), of course, are included in the gun banners' hasbara aiming to disarm the public. Expect the stats to worsen with "desensitization" target training. Has "us and them" replaced "protect and serve"?

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#6
This happened in Fort Worth, TX, which is the city I live in. So this is a hot topic.

What we know:
-2 Rookies working the night shift together
-Police responded to the wrong house
-Homeowner came out with a gun to investigate his neighbors alarm going off

What was done wrong:
-2 Rookies should never be put together
-If the old man did draw on the cops, he shouldn't do it unless he is certain that they are perps.

If the old man drew on the cops, then there are errors on both sides here. But he may have had good reason too.

1) The old guy should've looked out the window to see if there was police vehicle out there, to understand that there could police and possibly a perp out there.
2) When the police saw the garage door go up, they should identify themselves as LEO's. Typically LEO's are trained to flood the person with light blinding them. The old guy just rolled out of bed and was probably disoriented, and if I were him I would be concerned that they maybe perps. This is why #1 is important to get a full understanding of the situation or as much as he could.
3) If I'm coming out of my garage to respond to a neighbors alarm and I see flashlights blinding me in my drive way, I might be tempted to draw IF I didn't know there were LEO's outside. That is why #1 is important again.
4) If the old guy didn't know there were cops out there, which I don't think he knew, I can't fault him for drawing.
5) The LEO's are responding to a possible burglary, as far as the know they are at the right house, and they see a guy coming out of the house into the garage with a weapon drawn. I can't fault them for blinding the old guy and telling him to put the weapon down. Then I can't fault the guy for resisting, because I would want to see some ID and if he is blinded, he has no idea that they are LEO's. If the guy could see the officers in uniform, there is no way he would've drawn at that point.

Theory:
-The old guy didn't know they were cops, and didn't see them in uniform when he opened the garage
-He saw flashlights in the driveway, knowing there is a possible burglary and had his weapon up
-The LEO's seeing a drawn weapon while responding to a possible burglary they fire.
-Surely they told him to put the weapon down but the old guy wanted confirmation and the rookies were twitchy.

Faults on bothsides IMO. Not cut and dry that the LEO's are at 100% at fault.

Lessons learned:
-Rookies shouldn't be put together
-Know the situation as well as possible. Is it possible that there are LEO's on the scene? Investigate as much as possible from in your house if something is going on outside.
-Don't draw until you are ready to shoot which means confirmation of target.

Granted, I'm not LEO and I might be off base on some of this but I think I'm going about it in a practical and sensible manner. This is heartbreaking because it all happens in a split second and if both parties feel threatened, bad things can happen. Some errors by both parties created this tragedy, but civillians will make mistakes and rookies and veterans will make mistakes.
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#7
One has to ask how an off duty LEO might have responded to a sounding burglary alarm in the neighborhood as well as having unknown individuals on your property? Do you go out with weapon in a holster or weapon at the ready? Do you call dispatch (or 911) first in order to see if there is a police presence?

Remember that this is an upscale neighborhood. Not working class or inner city. And this individual is someone who the masses could identify with, a sympathetic person. If a jury identifies with the defendant then you more likely than not have an acquittal. Thus a political nightmare for the city. Add to that there are several city council seats still being contested in runoff elections.

Not a good mix.
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#8
All good points KTC, but the one "fault" that does seem to fall on the officers lap is not knowing which side of the street is odd numbers and which is even. I know when I'm looking for an address I make an observation of addresses so I know which side of the street I need to focus on for my target address (assuming they're not using GPS).

This might just be a terrible accident, but as far as I know having a gun while on your own property in TX is not a crime so this is a bad shoot.
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#9
Dogue, I agree that having a gun on your property in TX is not illegal but if you draw it on a LEO then you will have a problem on your hands. I also totally agree that this wouldn't have happened had they gone to the right house. Was the alarm still going off? Couldn't they hear which house it was? Maybe it had stopped.

I'm not relieving the cops of any wrong doing at all. I think they made a few errors, but as gun owners we have a responsibility as well. I'm trying to us this as a learning experience so if I'm ever faced with a situation, how would I best handle it.

The biggest lesson for me is to know the situation and surroundings. Don't go outside, possibly into harms way without assessing and confirming as much as possible while in the safety of your home.
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#10
The potential for loss of innocent life is great when 911 is called. I personally knew someone that was killed by police for holding a cell phone.
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#11
personally I Think Police And All Public Officials Should Be Held To A Higher Standard Of The Law. Twice The Penalty For Any And All Infractions They Are Found Guilty Of. Let You Accidentally Shoot Your Neighbor When SomeOne Breaks Into Your House And See How Well The Law Works For You.
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