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Looking at getting a 308 FDE Bullpup.....
Either the IWI Tavor 7 or the Desert Tech MDRX.
Any onwers on here?
I use to have the Original Tavor in 5.56 was not bad rifle but, wanted a larger caliber.
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03-29-2020, 03:24 PM
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I have the Tavor SAR but no experience with the Tavor 7 or MDRX. Im one of those guys that has opinion about everything so if I knew for sure I would not want to change calibers Id probably buy the IWI Tavor 7. I checked and the Tavor 7 will not accept the Geissele Super Sabra and lightening bow so I dont know about after market FCG for the Tavor 7. If I thought I might want a 6.5 Creedmoor or other caliber Id look at the MDR. I dont think it is likely IWI will offer other calibers whereas the MDR is relative easy to change.
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Since you said bullpup, I have the Kel Tec. It is in 5.56, 20" barrel. Significantly shorter than my 16" barrel AR platform rifles. Very good trigger, and the empties landing at your feet in a neat little pile is pretty cool. I am very happy with it. If they ever put out a Grendel version I will be standing in line to get one.
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pacificpt Wrote:Since you said bullpup, I have the Kel Tec. It is in 5.56, 20" barrel. Significantly shorter than my 16" barrel AR platform rifles. Very good trigger, and the empties landing at your feet in a neat little pile is pretty cool. I am very happy with it. If they ever put out a Grendel version I will be standing in line to get one.
They kinda promised one four or five years ago. I'm still waiting.
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AUG: I run an AUG. Very cool gun, but I will admit it's a bit heavy.
Tavor: My biggest disappointment with Tavor is they had 30 years of additional advanced development to put into play to beat the AUG. And managed to come out with a gun that didn't weigh any less, had a trigger that was actually worse, and wasn't any more accurate, and if anything worse. For about the same price. So.. not that impressed with TAVOR personally.
Kel-Tec has some very cool concepts and I think their RDB is a really neat gun. They figured out how to make it lighter, how to give it a good trigger, and do it all at about half the cost. But they have poor accuracy, and can have reliability issues. Classic Kel-Tec of having a really good radical new concept, get the development about 95% done or so; call 'er good and send that baby to production.... sigh - Oh Kel-Tec. And with that, there are issues with the Kel-Tec RDB, unfortunately.
None of the bullpups above tend to be all that accurate, which is disappointing. That said, if any of them were available in Grendel, I'd look damned hard.
Desert Tech has been quite the show. Their epic'ly poor release experience has pretty much wrecked their name and definitely destroyed their viewed integrity as a reliable provider. Maybe by now they got the kinks out, but it will be difficult to trust them. I want a sub MOA 6.5 CM bullpup, and was waiting for them to actually do that for years, and finally just gave up and stopped looking at them. Are they there finally?
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My Tavor SAR is accurate enough and the Geissele Super Sabra trigger is a very good trigger. The Tavor SAR is a long stroke gas piston and very reliable. I look at the Tavor as a handy carbine with attributes of the AK but in 5.56 and uses STANG AR-15 magazines. My Tavor SAR is basically 1.5-3 MOA depending on ammo but shoots great off hand. I like the Tavor in CQB and around vehicles and I use it with an E O Tech. I have no regrets buying my Tavor. If I need more accuracy or lighter weight I have other options.
If I were to get a Tavor 7 Id probably use a LPVO or 2.5-10 scope but I cant see going to 7.62x51. A Tavor in 6.5 Grendel would be very interesting and Id probably buy one.
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I've had a KelTec RDB for about a year and a half. It's a newer model. With the exception of operator error, it's been totally reliable using M855 and M193. I only paid $749 new with shipping to Alaska.
I recently purchased an IWI X95 and haven't even fired it yet. I've got an Aimpoint ML3 on it right now, but may put my Vortex 3X prism scope on it.
Bullpup Forums has a lot of good information on any bullpup ever made.
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Let us know how your X95 shoots. Initial accuracy reports werent encouraging but the later production X95 appear to be more consistent in accuracy with fewer fliers. The X95 seemed to be affected by barrel whip or something which hampered accuracy like the Mini 14. Either way the X95 has enough accuracy for CQB for which it is primarily used by the Israelis. The X95 or SAR are long stroke gas piston the same as the AK 47/74 which have similar accuracy.
My Tavor SAR with 1:7 twist actually shoots 55 grain and 69 grain SMK ammo better than any 70,75 or 77 grain bullets Ive tested.
