ATF - 90 days and counting, still have not cashed my check

[Sticks]

I know, I have been watching others as well as NFA Tracker. Trust averages longer than Form 4 Individual.

I'm cursed.

[Sticks]

So as an update....

Check was cashed November 2017

I called last week and I am still in FBI background checking. I know LRRPF52 was June IIRC and finally received his TBAC about 3 weeks ago.

NFA Tracker shows people that checks cashed in February have theirs.

Hopefully I am just lagging on someones desk that has been on FMLA leave, but at what point do you ask "Did someone loose my paperwork....again?" and have to start over? Is there even an escalation with the ATF for Tax Stamps / a number to call to have someone look into the delay?

[Kswhitetails]

Good luck, Sticks. I know the wait can be excruciating, but it's all worth it in the end. You want to be in "pending" status over "needs resolved". But I've met two folks that were in the latter, who received a call, and were back on track after a short discussion. So that's not the end of the world either.

I feel for ya. You'll be happy in the end though.

Regards,

KS

[LRRPF52]

So as an update....

Check was cashed November 2017

I called last week and I am still in FBI background checking. I know LRRPF52 was June IIRC and finally received his TBAC about 3 weeks ago.

NFA Tracker shows people that checks cashed in February have theirs.

Hopefully I am just lagging on someones desk that has been on FMLA leave, but at what point do you ask "Did someone loose my paperwork....again?" and have to start over? Is there even an escalation with the ATF for Tax Stamps / a number to call to have someone look into the delay?

It's been well over a month now since my Form 4 cleared. Time flies when you aren't waiting on Form 4s and 1s.

[Grumpy]

I still don't understand this fascination with trust am especially after Obama's 41f. Trusts are a cause for delay themselves and an opportunity for exposure if not properly maintained. Right now, you can transfer free once to the next generation of close relative. Individuals are generally faster.

when I did my F1, it was cashed in a week (CC on F1). When I did my F4, almost 3 weeks waiting on gen FFL dealer to submit a paper check and for said check to clear. As explained to me, your paperwork will not be scanned and forwarded until the IRS has your cash. If you didn't use a CC then it will take several extra handling because it (reciept of funds - i.e. "...until the fee is paid..." from 26 USC) can't be instantly verified recieved.

I just enveloped my F1, no certified, no tracking, no nothing. It got their fine. It just took 314 days (pre-election) to approve. NFA tracker does have a neat downward trend line BUT, you have to pay close attention that just as the chart creeps left at each new month with the line trending down, older points pop up and fill in above the line. That's what we don't see because we are watching the trend (i.e. the fastest returns, not the most common or average.

[Grumpy]

I am led to understand the FBI thing comes back instantly clear most cases. Occasionally dark a few times, in which case a rejection is quick. However, if it comes back, say "clouded", additional investigation may be required. This can be something like having to write back to some local or state court, having some records request sent, pulled, filled and answer returned. I'm also told. The FBI check on NFA items is free or a courtesy (there is no interdepartmental payment (inside Justice to elsewhere in Justice)).

Also, just a point. If you fill out and submit forms, using a CC is generally faster (or so I understand) than a check. Checks bounce occasionally so since the USC says "...until the tax has been paid..." I am led to believe, credit cards are paid instantly upon first handling where checks have to be processed several additional steps to ensure the funds exist and transferred OK.

Also, on my F1, height of the "Hillary is sure to win" pre-election, the fee was paid inside 10 days via CC on the form. It took 314 days and went from "pending" to "Approved" and sitting on my kitchen table between call-ins. In fact I had it probably a week in a stack of mail. The F4 was a year later and the FFL did the paperwork. It took something less than a month for payment to show cleared (they submitted and used a check).

I'm not sure why people are using Trusts (unless they are already set up). They take longer to process and offer multiple people to get hung in an FBI check. (Yes, I understand about perpetuity - don't explain). But, are each of you filing state and local returns on the assets in your trusts? Skip one return and you have constructively transferred an NFA item from a "dead" or invalid trust to whomever has it in their possession. Right now, the DoJ has, as far as I know, not busted anyone for this exact thing. For years they only conducted a "presence check" (was there a trust claimed, not whether it was real or valid).

As of now, the NFA will permit a single, one tax free transfer from an individual to a close family member. I am not certain but I think a trust of qualified close relatives is also permitted.

[Sticks]

So, the saga is finally complete. Insult and injury right up till the darn thing was carried out to my truck.

Got a call on Wednesday that they (FFL) received my stamp - I knew it was approved on 9/7/18. I got there this morning around 10:00a. Of all the crap, they asked me if I could come back around 1:30, because they were short handed from people calling in sick, and they did not want to screw up the paperwork trying to rush it since the only person that could finish processing it was running the registers up front. Not sure what other paperwork they had to handle, but all I had to do was fill out the 4473, and pay the $.01 left on the balance.

I was beyond pissed so I just walked out the door.