Results of Sep 12th SHARE Act Legislative Hearing (Included HPA)

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As to the Clinton AWB, even the corrupt scoundrels in Congress only passed the bill with a 10 year term.

Yup. The 1994 AWB was not repealed. It expired.

Also, look at all the headway that has been made with Concealed carry across most States.

Not relevant to the situation at the Federal level.

The Heller vs DC case in the SCOTUS was another major victory for freedom in the US, so the premise that all gun legislation is uni-directional favoring the communists is not supported by real events and legislation, court rulings, and judicial review.

The Heller decision is a court ruling, not legislation.

We also had a major win with getting rid of decades of Federal abuse with firearms carry on Federal lands.

That's nice. How many Federal gun laws been repealed?

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Yup. The 1994 AWB was not repealed. It expired.


Not relevant to the situation at the Federal level.


The Heller decision is a court ruling, not legislation.


That's nice. How many Federal gun laws been repealed?

Hers some legislation https://www.nraila.org/articles/20110125/no-surrender

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First of all Stan machine guns were not banned but overly taxed.
The 1968 GCA only restricted foreign made firearms and put more restrictions when purchasing them.
The 1986 machine gun ban restricted new manufacturing of machine guns not the ones already in the public domain.
The 1994 assault weapon banned the furniture,"looks" not the firearms and gun owners didn't accept it hence it was allowed to expire after the dem's lost control of congress.

:confused: I didn't say the 1934 NFA banned machine guns.
Yes, the 1986 machine gun ban was on new production. But a ban is still a ban.
The 1994 assault weapons ban expired because it had a fixed term. Nothing to do with non-acceptance by gun owners. If it hadn't had an expiration date, it's unlikely it would have been repealed.

And none of what you wrote above negates my point: Gun owners bitched about all those laws, but "the fabric of American society" was not shattered, the laws were accepted, and life went on.

War is a part of politics which make politics a part of war according to Clauzwitz:

Politics and war are certainly intertwined, but politics is not war.
War is organized violence, death and destruction on a large scale.
Lobbying for, and passing, legislation in Congress ain't any of that.

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:confused: I didn't say the 1934 NFA banned machine guns.
Yes, the 1986 machine gun ban was on new production. But a ban is still a ban.
The 1994 assault weapons ban expired because it had a fixed term. Nothing to do with non-acceptance by gun owners. If it hadn't had an expiration date, it's unlikely it would have been repealed.

And none of what you wrote above negates my point: Gun owners bitched about all those laws, but "the fabric of American society" was not shattered, the laws were accepted, and life went on.


Politics and war are certainly intertwined, but politics is not war.
War is organized violence, death and destruction on a large scale.
Lobbying for, and passing, legislation in Congress ain't any of that.

I would love to continue this but I think we have strayed a little too far from the OP, so I will end it here before I get into more trouble

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Hers some legislation https://www.nraila.org/articles/20110125/no-surrender

LOL. The 1986 FOPA eliminated some provisions of the 1968 GCA, but did not repeal it.
Worse yet, the FOPA "protected" us out of the manufacture of a whole class of firearms.

Do you know what a "Pyrrhic victory" is?

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I would love to continue this but I think we have strayed a little too far from the OP, so I will end it here before I get into more trouble

Yeah, it's been fun -- sort of -- but I really need to stop this, too, and start doing something productive.

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LOL. The 1986 FOPA eliminated some provisions of the 1968 GCA, but did not repeal it.
Worse yet, the FOPA "protected" us out of the manufacture of a whole class of firearms.

Do you know what a "Pyrrhic victory" is?

Yes, it is the type of victory I have debating you

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It keeps getting page-bumped off every page that I mention it with sidebar traffic, so I'll just keep mentioning that the chief "expert witness" for the Democrats and anti-2A members of the Federal Land Use Committee was retired ATF SAC/ASAC David Chipman, who just coincidentally happens to be the lead sales rep for Shot Spotter.

Shot Spotter just launched their IPO in July, and credits Chipman as their head of North American sales during a time of explosive growth.

Served this nation for over 25 years in support of ATF's mission to combat violent crime. Led North American Sales for ShotSpotter during period of explosive growth while demonstrating the true nature of gun violence. Dedicated to developing, implementing and evaluating firearms violence reduction strategies aimed at making neighborhoods safe. Possessed a Top Secret SCI clearance.

David H. Chipman joined SST, Inc. to expand the company's leadership in partnering with cities nationwide to fight gun violence and related crime through the use of its ShotSpotter gunfire data and intelligence. An experienced law enforcement veteran, Chipman served over 25 years in numerous executive and field agent roles at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives (ATF). While at the ATF, Chipman developed, implemented and evaluated firearms violence reduction strategies aimed at making America's neighborhoods safer.
He most recently served as a senior advisor to Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a national, bipartisan coalition of mayors working to shield America’s communities from gun violence. Chipman has also served as an ATF Fellow for the International Association of Chiefs of Police.

These kinds of dirtbags should be banned from appearing on any hearings related to 2A unless they are subpoenaed as possible defendants, especially coming from BATFE.

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There seems to be resistance in Connecticut with AR owners refusing to register their ARs. The same will happen in California, I guess.

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Yes, it is the type of victory I have debating you

Thinks it's possible to win an internet debate...

[montana]

It keeps getting page-bumped off every page that I mention it with sidebar traffic, so I'll just keep mentioning that the chief "expert witness" for the Democrats and anti-2A members of the Federal Land Use Committee was retired ATF SAC/ASAC David Chipman, who just coincidentally happens to be the lead sales rep for Shot Spotter.

Shot Spotter just launched their IPO in July, and credits Chipman as their head of North American sales during a time of explosive growth.





These kinds of dirtbags should be banned from appearing on any hearings related to 2A unless they are subpoenaed as possible defendants, especially coming from BATFE.

This is what you would call conflict of interest or a hostile witness. Our ding bat, alcoholic, obese, leftist mayor joined the soros funded mayors against gun violence and with the city council banned gun shows or any transfers of firearms outside dealer back ground checks within city limits even though there has never been one case where this would have prevented a crime. This meant I couldn't sell my firearm to my best friend within city limits without going through a dealer. The leftist city attorneys spent tens of thousands of dollars of tax payers money getting this passed and guaranteed it was within Montana law. It wasn't and our Montana supreme court ruled it unconstitutional under Montana law. This is another example why it is so important to get pro gun representatives elected within states and local governments. Getting state pro gun laws passed are vital to keeping our gun rights.

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If you go to Shot Spotter's site now and search FAQs, only a 14 point list shows up, as opposed to the one I linked earlier with 16 points.

http://www.shotspotter.com/faq#

Congressman Duncan's office didn't even know about this aspect of the legislation and the chief witness being financially tied to a company that seems to not want to have to deal with detecting suppressors (or punctuation errors and proof-reading of their website). They do have some great webinars for influencing your elected representatives though.

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I notified American Suppressor Association about this as well.

ShotSpotter has been burning millions for the past 2 years, so the IPO seems to be a way of creating some cash infusion so they can get into the black. Nothing wrong with that, but I can see how they wouldn't want to invest millions in testing and calibration for their sensors, then re-write their firmware for the customers.

They lost $6.13 million in 2015 and $6.86 million last year. You start to see how the anti-HPA chief "expert witness" and ShotSpotter's North American lead sales rep would constantly talk about how the HPA would make people's jobs much harder. Instead of open stating that it would make the work of the company he works for more difficult, he said it would make law enforcement's job more difficult, causing massive problems in fighting crime. When we see how much cash they've been hemorrhaging, I can understand his sense of urgency.

Funny how things warped his mind, when suppressors are such a non issue, that even the ATF said they don't normally consider removing any of the restricted items from the unconstitutional National Registry, but in the case of suppressors, they are more than open to it because of the undue workload it causes them, as well as the fact that they only recommended prosecute 44 crimes with suppressor possession per year.

Expounding upon this notion in a white paper titled “Options to Reduce or Modify Firearms Regulations”, Ronald Turk, the Associate Deputy Director and Chief Operating Officer of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) said:

“While DOJ and ATF have historically not supported removal of items from the NFA, the change in public acceptance of silencers arguably indicates that the reason for their inclusion in the NFA is archaic and historical reluctance to removing them from the NFA should be reevaluated. ATF’s experience with the criminal use of silencers also supports reassessing their inclusion in the NFA. On average in the past 10 years, ATF has only recommended 44 defendants a year for prosecution on silencer-related violations; of those, only approximately 6 of the defendants had prior felony convictions. Moreover, consistent with this low number of prosecution referrals, silencers are very rarely used in criminal shootings. Given the lack of criminality associated with silencers, it is reasonable to conclude that they should not be viewed as a threat to public safety necessitating NFA classification, and should be considered for reclassification under the GCA.”

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SHARE Act shelved indefinitely. http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/10/03/go...ncer-bill/