Something to think about

[bwaites]

By Jim Stachowiak

Here’s a little bit of history to think about. December 29, 2012 marked the 122nd Anniversary of the murder of 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota .
These 297 people, in their winter camp, were murdered by federal agents and members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms “for their own safety and protection.”
The slaughter began after the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. The Cavalry began shooting, and managed to wipe out the entire camp. 200 of the 297 victims were women and children.
About 40 members of the 7th Cavalry were killed, but over half of them were victims of fratricide from the Hotchkiss guns of their overzealous comrades-in-arms. Twenty members of the 7th Cavalry’s death squad, were deemed “National Heroes” and were awarded the Medal of Honor for their acts of [cowardice] heroism.
We hear very little of Wounded Knee today. It is usually not mentioned in our history classes or books. What little that does exist about Wounded Knee is normally a sanitized “Official Government Explanation.” There are several historically inaccurate depictions of the events leading up to the massacre, which appear in movie scripts and are not the least bit representative of the actual events that took place that day.
Wounded Knee was among the first federally backed gun confiscation attempts in United States history. It ended in the senseless murder of 297 people.
Before you jump on the emotionally charged bandwagon for gun-control, take a moment to reflect on the real purpose of the Second Amendment, the right of the people to take up arms in defense of themselves, their families, and property in the face of invading armies or an oppressive government. The argument that the Second Amendment only applies to hunting and target shooting is asinine. When the United States Constitution was drafted, “hunting” was an everyday chore carried out by men and women to put meat on the table each night, and “target shooting” was an unheard of concept. Musket balls were a precious commodity and were certainly not wasted on “target shooting.”
The Second Amendment was written by people who fled oppressive and tyrannical regimes in Europe, and it refers to the right of American citizens to be armed for defensive purposes, should such tyranny arise in the United States .
As time goes forward, the average citizen in the United States continually loses little chunks of personal freedom or “liberty.”
Far too many times, unjust gun control bills were passed and signed into law under the guise of “for your safety” or “for protection.” The Patriot Act signed into law by G.W. Bush, was expanded and continues under Barack Obama. It is just one of many examples of American citizens being stripped of their rights and privacy for “safety.” Now, the right to keep and bear arms is on the table, and will, most likely be attacked to facilitate the path for the removal of our firearms, all in the name of “our safety.”
Before any American citizen blindly accepts whatever new firearms legislation that is about to be doled out, they should stop and think about something for just one minute-

[INDENT]Evil does exist in our world. It always has and always will.
[/INDENT]
[INDENT]

[/INDENT]Throughout history evil people have committed evil acts. In the Bible, one of the first stories is that of Cain killing his brother Abel. We can not legislate “evil” into extinction. Good people will abide by the law, and the criminal element will always find a way around it.

Evil exists all around us, but looking back at the historical record of the past 200 years, across the globe, where is “evil” and “malevolence” most often found? In the hands of those with the power, the government. The greatest human tragedies on record and the largest loss of innocent human life can be attributed to governments. Who do the governments always target? “Scapegoats” and “enemies” within their own borders, but only after they have been disarmed to the point where they are no longer a threat. Ask any Native American, and they will tell you it was inferior technology and lack of arms that contributed to their demise. Ask any Armenian why it was so easy for the Turks to exterminate millions of them, and they will answer “We were disarmed before it happened.” Ask any Jew what Hitler’s first step prior to the mass murders of the Holocaust was and they will tell you it was confiscation of firearms from the people.
Wounded Knee is the prime example of why the Second Amendment exists and why we should vehemently resist any attempts to infringe on our rights to bear arms. Without the Second Amendment we will be totally stripped of any ability to defend ourselves and our families.

Read more: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/03/what-h...z2OCSeMBtL

[ricsmall]

thanks for that reminder bwaites. History can teach you so much more than just past events. It shows the true nature of good and evil, whether were talking about hundreds of years ago or this very minute. And history does have a way of repeating itself.

[LR1955]

By Jim Stachowiak

Here’s a little bit of history to think about. December 29, 2012 marked the 122nd Anniversary of the murder of 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota .
These 297 people, in their winter camp, were murdered by federal agents and members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms “for their own safety and protection.”
The slaughter began after the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. The Cavalry began shooting, and managed to wipe out the entire camp. 200 of the 297 victims were women and children.
About 40 members of the 7th Cavalry were killed, but over half of them were victims of fratricide from the Hotchkiss guns of their overzealous comrades-in-arms. Twenty members of the 7th Cavalry’s death squad, were deemed “National Heroes” and were awarded the Medal of Honor for their acts of [cowardice] heroism.
We hear very little of Wounded Knee today. It is usually not mentioned in our history classes or books. What little that does exist about Wounded Knee is normally a sanitized “Official Government Explanation.” There are several historically inaccurate depictions of the events leading up to the massacre, which appear in movie scripts and are not the least bit representative of the actual events that took place that day.
Wounded Knee was among the first federally backed gun confiscation attempts in United States history. It ended in the senseless murder of 297 people.
Before you jump on the emotionally charged bandwagon for gun-control, take a moment to reflect on the real purpose of the Second Amendment, the right of the people to take up arms in defense of themselves, their families, and property in the face of invading armies or an oppressive government. The argument that the Second Amendment only applies to hunting and target shooting is asinine. When the United States Constitution was drafted, “hunting” was an everyday chore carried out by men and women to put meat on the table each night, and “target shooting” was an unheard of concept. Musket balls were a precious commodity and were certainly not wasted on “target shooting.”
The Second Amendment was written by people who fled oppressive and tyrannical regimes in Europe, and it refers to the right of American citizens to be armed for defensive purposes, should such tyranny arise in the United States .
As time goes forward, the average citizen in the United States continually loses little chunks of personal freedom or “liberty.”
Far too many times, unjust gun control bills were passed and signed into law under the guise of “for your safety” or “for protection.” The Patriot Act signed into law by G.W. Bush, was expanded and continues under Barack Obama. It is just one of many examples of American citizens being stripped of their rights and privacy for “safety.” Now, the right to keep and bear arms is on the table, and will, most likely be attacked to facilitate the path for the removal of our firearms, all in the name of “our safety.”
Before any American citizen blindly accepts whatever new firearms legislation that is about to be doled out, they should stop and think about something for just one minute-

[INDENT]Evil does exist in our world. It always has and always will.
[/INDENT]
[INDENT]

[/INDENT]Throughout history evil people have committed evil acts. In the Bible, one of the first stories is that of Cain killing his brother Abel. We can not legislate “evil” into extinction. Good people will abide by the law, and the criminal element will always find a way around it.

Evil exists all around us, but looking back at the historical record of the past 200 years, across the globe, where is “evil” and “malevolence” most often found? In the hands of those with the power, the government. The greatest human tragedies on record and the largest loss of innocent human life can be attributed to governments. Who do the governments always target? “Scapegoats” and “enemies” within their own borders, but only after they have been disarmed to the point where they are no longer a threat. Ask any Native American, and they will tell you it was inferior technology and lack of arms that contributed to their demise. Ask any Armenian why it was so easy for the Turks to exterminate millions of them, and they will answer “We were disarmed before it happened.” Ask any Jew what Hitler’s first step prior to the mass murders of the Holocaust was and they will tell you it was confiscation of firearms from the people.
Wounded Knee is the prime example of why the Second Amendment exists and why we should vehemently resist any attempts to infringe on our rights to bear arms. Without the Second Amendment we will be totally stripped of any ability to defend ourselves and our families.
Read more: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/03/what-h...z2OCSeMBtL

And here is what Jim has to say about himself. "Jim is the founder and editor of Freedom Fighter Radio. He refers to himself as an "Armed Infidel and Crusader Against The Beast’s Organized Religion of Government (The BORG), Islam, and any other Satanic Death Cult that would destroy our Liberty." Read more: http://freedomoutpost.com/author/jim-sta...z2OGzlJAW0

Wounded Knee is not an example of why the 2d Amendment exists. It is an example of the moral and political views of the American Indian by the end of the Indian Wars. It reflects those political and moral views our society held of the Indian that developed over a period of 150 years and ended at the first Wounded Knee. Remember that the second one that happened in the early 70's also dealt with guns.

Sounds more like Jim is pissed about the CMH's given out at Wounded Knee more than much else.

Just because our country did something in 1880, doesn't mean the same can happen today, tomorrow, or even in the next fifty years. Sure, it 'could' happen. Doesn't mean any sane man thinks the probability is so great that he has to buy a $2K carbine and bury it in his back yard.

LR1955

[montana]

Just because our country did something in 1880, doesn't mean the same can happen today, tomorrow, or even in the next fifty years. You mean like way back during Ruby ridge, and Waco Texas?

[bwaites]

Or during the aftermath of a hurricane, like in New Orleans? The truth is that gun control ALWAYS has its roots in the oppression of a minority of some type, whether blacks (the first gun control laws after the Civil War) or Indians (as at Wounded Knee) or rural Americans (as in the American Revolution). Now we see big city, urban politicians trying to do the same to small town and rural Americans. (Pull up a voter results by county map, then cross reference it with the politicians pushing gun control.)

We ere watching a perfect example of why those who do not pay attention to history are doomed to repeat it.

[LR1955]

Just because our country did something in 1880, doesn't mean the same can happen today, tomorrow, or even in the next fifty years. You mean like way back during Ruby ridge, and Waco Texas?

Montana:

What Cav outfits were involved in Ruby Ridge or at Waco?

Do you believe that the US military will surround your town and then kill 80% of the population of your town like the first Wounded Knee?

Yes or no is good enough.

LR1955

[JASmith]

We can neither be ostriches burying our heads in the sand nor can we be panicked into extreme defensive measures. A subtly relevant episode was Nancy Pelosi's guidance to the rank and file democrats that "you can can read the health care proposal after you've voted for it." It passed both houses without being read in full.

This should raise alarm bells about our rights and clearly indicates an example of a ruling elite dictating policy to the entire country. These events illustrate the continuing need for speaking out and for preparing for our defense. The deterrent inherent in the 2nd amendment keeps our freedom of speech alive.

These and other recent and not so recent events illuminate the need to become a lot more actve in communicating to the larger population of the urban areas.

[LR1955]

Or during the aftermath of a hurricane, like in New Orleans? The truth is that gun control ALWAYS has its roots in the oppression of a minority of some type, whether blacks (the first gun control laws after the Civil War) or Indians (as at Wounded Knee) or rural Americans (as in the American Revolution). Now we see big city, urban politicians trying to do the same to small town and rural Americans. (Pull up a voter results by county map, then cross reference it with the politicians pushing gun control.)

We ere watching a perfect example of why those who do not pay attention to history are doomed to repeat it.

Bill:

I hear all this talk about paying attention to history but that seems to be where it ends.

Tell me how the Wounded Knee of the 1870's will be used as a model for the extermination of a minority group in the USA today. What was the aftermath of both Wounded Knee incidents in terms of law. And, Kent State in terms of law? It is easy to say that laws can be changed or ignored. Laws can be changed or ignored. However, it is much harder for the government to do so today than ever before due to the internet and its ability to communicate with hundreds of millions of people in less than a second.

Also, the gun rights crowd is good at informing people about paying attention to history. But when they cite someone who claims to be a 'Crusader fighting Islam and Satanic Death Cults', their credibility disappears and with it the argument. I thought America was founded based on freedom to worship as one pleased? Obviously, this fellow doesn't believe in the Constitution.

Instead of telling us what happened and that the left wants to ban all guns (something they desperately want), how about telling us what you are doing about it, how effective you believe your efforts are, and advice for those who want to jump into the fight. A road map of success will get people on our side.

LR1955

[JASmith]

LR,

Be carefull with your suggestions, because you might get drafted to build the roadmap we so desperately need.

To be sure, the NRA has a major part, but we need more grassroots efforts to demonstrate that the pro-gun message is indeed coming from almost all quarters.

[davidj]

The Pro-Gun message is usually presented in a manner that scares a lot of people. It can be very confrontational. What is needed is a Pro-Constitution message. We sometime loose sight that the First and Fourth Amendments are under fire too. Let's face it...they are just as important. Presenting the Constitution as a package for all, rather than a group of individual personal preferences might be a better strategy.

[bwaites]

Bill:

I hear all this talk about paying attention to history but that seems to be where it ends.

Tell me how the Wounded Knee of the 1870's will be used as a model for the extermination of a minority group in the USA today. What was the aftermath of both Wounded Knee incidents in terms of law. And, Kent State in terms of law? It is easy to say that laws can be changed or ignored. Laws can be changed or ignored. However, it is much harder for the government to do so today than ever before due to the internet and its ability to communicate with hundreds of millions of people in less than a second.

Also, the gun rights crowd is good at informing people about paying attention to history. But when they cite someone who claims to be a 'Crusader fighting Islam and Satanic Death Cults', their credibility disappears and with it the argument. I thought America was founded based on freedom to worship as one pleased? Obviously, this fellow doesn't believe in the Constitution.

Instead of telling us what happened and that the left wants to ban all guns (something they desperately want), how about telling us what you are doing about it, how effective you believe your efforts are, and advice for those who want to jump into the fight. A road map of success will get people on our side.

LR1955

Gene, you make some great points.

However, his self description is pretty much tongue in cheek, especially if you read anything else he has written.

The issue is that local leaders may have no opportunity to make a decision regarding the situation, if federal intervention occurs beforehand. The Sheriff in New Orleans SHOULD have been the one making decisions regarding where the National Guard was deployed and how they were used. Instead, FEMA bureaucrats were making those decisions, along with the Mayor and Chief of Police, both of whom should be rotting in Federal Prison for their absolute revocation of the 1st, 2nd, and 4th Amendments while the disaster progressed.

What we are now faced with is a Congress led by big city politicians who are extremely liberal, elected by a populace that is 60/40 liberal in big cities, but 70/30 conservative in small cities/towns/rural. So effectively we have about a government led by people from big cities who would not win a vote if it were nationally based. Those liberal politicians are afraid of guns, because they understand very well that guns in the hands of the population may lead to unseating of the power they control.

And as for a long term winning program....I will agree 100%, we need a plan, but so far no one has advanced one that will work without unseating those power players. I wish I could figure one out!

[JASmith]

David,

Thanks for the reality check! We keep forgetting that our audience has already been led to falsely fear inanimate objects. Our rhetoric fuels that propaganda with overt and implied threats of violence.

Moving to a pro-constitution message is an alternative and possibly more effective approach!

Of course we need to avoid giving the impression that were are merely smiling like crocodiles...

Thanks!

[LT.]

Those who dont learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. I understand that as we need to learn from our history in order to prevent the same mistakes. Another odd thought is that history always repeats itself. I guess in other words is people will never learn. Such a shame.

LT.

[montana]

Montana:

What Cav outfits were involved in Ruby Ridge or at Waco?

Do you believe that the US military will surround your town and then kill 80% of the population of your town like the first Wounded Knee?

Yes or no is good enough.

LR1955

I think we already had this discussion. The problem with the Indian holocaust was about an apathetic population which created the indifference the U.S. military had with it's native population. The majority of U.S. forces are very pro 2nd amendment today except a few political high up generals. Maybe this is why we are seeing a stronger emphases on a much stronger homeland security force which is very political. During Ruby Ridge a Denver swat team leader stated they were given orders to shoot to kill. He told his men they were not going to do it. The government was still able to do what they did. I don't believe the military would purposely kill 80% of anybody in the U.S. But with enough propaganda anything can be possible. This is why our first amendment is so important. If the American citizens in the 1800's were able to see the horror being done to the American Indian, things may have been different. But if they were only able to see the horror being committed by the Indians ,"as was usually the case", we end up with a wounded knee.

[BjornF16]

And here is what Jim has to say about himself. "Jim is the founder and editor of Freedom Fighter Radio. He refers to himself as an "Armed Infidel and Crusader Against The Beast’s Organized Religion of Government (The BORG), Islam, and any other Satanic Death Cult that would destroy our Liberty." Read more: http://freedomoutpost.com/author/jim-sta...z2OGzlJAW0LR1955

I take exception to this mis-use of a perfectly fine name!...

Björn

[Deer Hunter]

Montana:

What Cav outfits were involved in Ruby Ridge or at Waco?

Do you believe that the US military will surround your town and then kill 80% of the population of your town like the first Wounded Knee?

Yes or no is good enough.

LR1955

I dont think the military had any hand in either but the USA Govt definately was the responsible party for said offenses and I dont think they'd shed one tear if it happened again.