+- 6.5 Grendel Forum (https://65grendel.com)
+-- Forum: 6.5 GRENDEL DISCUSSION FORUMS (https://65grendel.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=3)
+--- Forum: 6.5 Grendel Build-It-Yourself & Custom Builds (https://65grendel.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=9)
+--- Thread: Build it yourself....Priceless (/showthread.php?tid=9999)
Pages:
1
2
Build it yourself....Priceless - customcutter - 10-15-2015
I used to make custom knives as a hobby. So I've collected a 14X40 lathe, 9X42 mill, 6X28 mill, 6X18 surface grinder, a couple of bandsaws, belt sanders, and disc sanders, and a few other odds and ends. I've thought that when I retire in a few years I'll learn how to operate the equipment and do some hobby gunsmithing for myself, and jobs I feel confident I can handle, or maybe make parts or accessories.
Today I ordered a Manson reamer, floating reamer holder, go and no-go gauges. I've ordered an ER-40 collet holder, so I need to order the backplate, collets, and a couple of barrels.
I've already got a couple of 80% lowers, so it all finally begins. I've been wanting to do this for years. I'll post up some pics when parts and tooling starts coming in.
CC
Build it yourself....Priceless - montana - 10-15-2015
Now that is a retirement plan, looking forward to your projects. Please keep us up-dated with pictures.
Build it yourself....Priceless - cory - 10-15-2015
This is why I'll never be able to retire. I'll never be able to afford to retire, I'd find expensive hobbies like this. haha
Build it yourself....Priceless - am4966 - 10-15-2015
Well you started out right, Manson Reamer
looking forward to some finished parts!
Build it yourself....Priceless - customcutter - 10-15-2015
cory Wrote:This is why I'll never be able to retire. I'll never be able to afford to retire, I'd find expensive hobbies like this. haha
I think of retirement as doing what I want to do, when I want to do it. LOL. By the time I'm finished buying the tooling I could have made a nice down payment on one of PF uppers, but I'd still have all that equipment in the garage gathering dust, and I still wouldn't know diddly about learning how to use it.
I've tried to locate trade schools, high schools, etc. in the area to take machining classes. The closest ones are over an hour away and want 5-6K a year for attendance. I figure I can make a lot of chips and buy a lot of tooling, even make a few mistakes for that kind of money.
Build it yourself....Priceless - usmc1371 - 10-16-2015
I will give you first lesson on using you machines. Remember speeds and feeds. When working with aluminum faster is better. Use lots of wd-40 or equivalent oil.
Build it yourself....Priceless - ricsmall - 10-16-2015
customcutter Wrote:I used to make custom knives as a hobby. So I've collected a 14X40 lathe, 9X42 mill, 6X28 mill, 6X18 surface grinder, a couple of bandsaws, belt sanders, and disc sanders, and a few other odds and ends. I've thought that when I retire in a few years I'll learn how to operate the equipment and do some hobby gunsmithing for myself, and jobs I feel confident I can handle, or maybe make parts or accessories.
Today I ordered a Manson reamer, floating reamer holder, go and no-go gauges. I've ordered an ER-40 collet holder, so I need to order the backplate, collets, and a couple of barrels.
I've already got a couple of 80% lowers, so it all finally begins. I've been wanting to do this for years. I'll post up some pics when parts and tooling starts coming in.
CC
CC
I would start out with the south bend book on how to run a lathe if you don't have any experience. Watch a lot of tubalcain videos on YouTube. He's mrpete 222 on there I think. He's a retired shop teacher that really takes his time explaining the simple things. The most helpful video I've seen on chamberinv a barrel is by the guy that makes viper venom chambering/cutting oil. That is a great cutting oil too. If you didn't get one, get a Manson floating reamer holder, it's an invaluable tool to have especially for us rookies. Some folks use a four jaw to chamber barrels, but depending on the length through your headstock, your better off having both an inboard and outboard spider to dial in both ends of barrel. You can make both of these with the equipment you have for probably $80, whereas buying them would be close to $400. The biggest plus is the practice you get on your machines while making a valuable part. If u need any pics or have questions I and many others here will help as much as possible. Oh, and don't think you're gonna save money by building your own guns, you'll spend the same but have more of em!! Lol.
Richard
Build it yourself....Priceless - customcutter - 10-16-2015
usmc1371: thanks, speeds and feeds are the hardest. I keep forgetting that aluminum likes higher speeds.
Richard: Thanks, I've watched a ton of videos over the last 10 years, only trouble is I don't get to use it so I don't retain a lot of it. Last year I got started on a project making swaging dies for .223. Using fired 22lr brass to make .223 bullets. I got everything made but the pointing die. Now I know why they charge $1200+ for a set of dies to do it. Haven't given up on the pointing die yet. My philosophy sometimes is why buy it, if I can make it for 3x the cost, and learn something doing it. The extra tooling comes in handy for other jobs down the road. I'm making a spider for the outboard and buying a set of ER-40 collets to hold the barrel for chambering. I've ordered and received the ER-40 collet holder, now I need to order a D1-4 backplate and machine it to mount it to.
Any machinist in west central Fl area?
Build it yourself....Priceless - ricsmall - 10-17-2015
CC
if u don't mind send me a pic or part # on the er40 collet holder so I can get an idea of what you have planned. I might use for future reference. I started to get a 5c chuck but would only hold up to 1-1/8" so a no go on chamber end of barrels. So I decided to build an inboard spider.
Thanks
Richard
Build it yourself....Priceless - customcutter - 10-17-2015
Richard, here's a link to the ER 40 collet holder.
http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Collets/ER-Lathe-Collet-Chucks
I looked every where for a US or Canadian source and couldn't find one. The shipping, was half the price of the holder. But it's Fedex next day. I didn't realize it. I don't know if there is another shipping option or not.
Build it yourself....Priceless - am4966 - 10-18-2015
This time next year, you'll have members begging you to do Manson Chamber and barrel! I'm first
and with the equipment you have id do a Form 1 Surpressor, it'll probably be quieter than what you can buy. Jealous of you mechanical guys, I was born to crack heads 6'6"
Build it yourself....Priceless - customcutter - 10-18-2015
am4966 Wrote:This time next year, you'll have members begging you to do Manson Chamber and barrel! I'm first
Yes, I've been thinking about a can for several years. Actually talked to a shop locally that sells them, and they do a lot of parts machining. He took several apart and showed me the cores. There's really not much too them at all. I'm not sure the "solvent trap" cans aren't almost as quiet?
Hey, 6'6" just means you can move and collect bigger equipment.
Build it yourself....Priceless - customcutter - 11-01-2015
Finally got started on some of the machining of parts. I had to turn down a register/spigot for the ER40 collet holder to fit on to. This is the original backplate.
http://s672.photobucket.com/user/customcutter/media/Mobile%20Uploads/1029151127.jpg.html?o=5
here is what it looked like after I finished turning it down to size +.001" for shrink to fit.
http://s672.photobucket.com/user/customcutter/media/Mobile%20Uploads/1030151120.jpg.html?o=3
After heating the ER40 collet holder in the oven at 250* for :30 and putting the backplate in the refridgerator, I put the 2 halves together and let them come to room temperature while maintaining pressure by using the tailstock.
http://s672.photobucket.com/user/customcutter/media/Mobile%20Uploads/1029151207.jpg.html?o=4
After it cooled I pilot drilled from the front, because the collet holder is tapped. Then flipped it over and clearance drilled for the threads and caps and bolted it tight from the rear.
Runout is .0005" on a Weldon 1" milling cutter at the face of the ER40 coller holder.
Build it yourself....Priceless - ricsmall - 11-01-2015
I looked at as much as I could linking thru photobucket, but i never can get it to work right thru the I phone. What I saw looks good, what's the max bore on the collets ur gonna use?
Build it yourself....Priceless - customcutter - 11-01-2015
Maximum size for the ER40's is 1". I also received the Manson reamer and reamer holder this week. I need to get some barrels ordered this coming week.
Build it yourself....Priceless - customcutter - 12-08-2015
I ordered and received a couple of barrels weeks ago. I finally got one of them chucked up and indicated in today. I made the outboard spider and collect backplate while waiting. Then got busy with other things. Hopefully I will get to thread and chamber it this week..
Build it yourself....Priceless - am4966 - 12-08-2015
Nice, what barrels are you gonna use?
Build it yourself....Priceless - customcutter - 12-08-2015
While I'm learning I'm going with some Green Mountain barrels. 1/8 twist, 27 inches long, 1.2 in diameter. I looked at a lot of sites, and they were the only one I found in stock.
Build it yourself....Priceless - customcutter - 12-09-2015
I had another day in the shop. I just learned to thread last year making some dies, and this is my first time working with 416SS. The first attempt everything was good, except that the thread were "rough". So I cut that one off and went and watched "Tom Techniques", quit using the compound feed to make the the last few cuts and things improved. The second set of threads were slightly undersized so I cut those off as well. Third times a charm though.
Edit, the 4th pic is actually the first threads.
Build it yourself....Priceless - ricsmall - 12-09-2015
Looking good CC. when you're getting close on threads, I learned that less is more. The lighter cuts you take toward the end with 416 the smoother the threads will be. This is assuming you're using hss tooling as opposed to carbide. Maybe we can get together one day and compare notes. I'm just north of Tallahassee. This is busy time for me till quail season goes out.
Richard