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The New AKs - Slappy - 12-03-2014
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30302261
BANG BANG!!
The New AKs - stanc - 12-03-2014
Apparently they don't understand the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" concept.
Upon seeing the photo below, two words instantly came to mind: UGH. LEE.
![[Image: _79472313_79472312.jpg]](http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/79472000/jpg/_79472313_79472312.jpg)
The New AKs - LRRPF52 - 12-04-2014
They have a video advertisement for it as well, and at one point, you can see an AK receiver slipping in the vice as the serial number is CNC engraved. Pretty funny.
The New AKs - DRandi - 12-05-2014
Ohhh it gets even better than that....... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2860781/Kalashnikov-unveils-plan-big-Apple-computers-rebrands-famous-product-weapon-peace.html
David
The New AKs - BluntForceTrauma - 12-05-2014
THIS is something like the new AK that the 65G community needs: Mk47 Mutant from CMMG. If there was ever a question of bolt strength there surely is none with this beast! Assuming the Russians make AK mags in 65G for their AK-12, I'm seeing possibilities here. . . .
The New AKs - 65Whelen - 12-06-2014
BluntForceTrauma Wrote:THIS is something like the new AK that the 65G community needs: Mk47 Mutant from CMMG. If there was ever a question of bolt strength there surely is none with this beast! Assuming the Russians make AK mags in 65G for their AK-12, I'm seeing possibilities here. . . .
This video by Hickok45 with the Mutant you got to wonder how would the Grendel work in it? With the heavy duty bolt, it has potential.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe48LfRMkt0&feature=em-uploademail
The New AKs - Nukes - 12-06-2014
Did the victors lie again???
Who Really Designed The AK-47?
Alex C. The Firearm Blog
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/03/14/designed-ak-47/
I do not believe that Mikhail Kalashnikov was as involved in the development of the AK-47 as the Soviets led the world to believe. So who was? Well, there can only be one answer: Hugo Schmeisser. Schmeisser is perhaps most famous for the MP18 (the worlds first submachine gun) and the MP43/44 Sturmgewehr (the worlds first assault rifle). Obviously the latter firearm is more pertinent to this article. Here are a few facts to back up my hypothesis
The New AKs - deer hunter - 12-07-2014
I'm a member of the AK files and one of those guys has a custom AK Grendel.
The New AKs - LRRPF52 - 12-08-2014
Nukes Wrote:Did the victors lie again???
Who Really Designed The AK-47?
Alex C. The Firearm Blog
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/03/14/designed-ak-47/
I do not believe that Mikhail Kalashnikov was as involved in the development of the AK-47 as the Soviets led the world to believe. So who was? Well, there can only be one answer: Hugo Schmeisser. Schmeisser is perhaps most famous for the MP18 (the worlds first submachine gun) and the MP43/44 Sturmgewehr (the worlds first assault rifle). Obviously the latter firearm is more pertinent to this article. Here are a few facts to back up my hypothesis
Throughout the Cold War, the Russians denied that the Germans had anything to do with the AK. After the collapse,there is a bunch of controversy that Schmeisser was involved the design. Look at the underfolder on the first AKS and AKMS. It's an MP38/MP40 SMG folder all day long. Also, the original Kalashnikov prototypes were folded sheet steel, but the Russians had problems getting the heat treating right, and were forced to go back to the inefficient, costly process of machining billet receivers for the Rifle, 7.62, Avtomat Kalashnikov, introduced in 1947. As to the method of operation, the AK and Mp44 have very few similarities.
The big picture is that they adopted a true intermediate cartridge, after learning some very hard lessons during The Great Patriotic War, whereas the US took those lessons and basically ignored them at Army Ordnance Corps with the abortion known as the M14 and 7.62 NATO cartridge. Soviet doctrine for employment of the AK was really more like an SMG, after echelons of fire had progressed to a point where motorized infantry are able to dismount near the objective, and charge through blasting away on full auto, without much aimed fire. You still see this being used today on footage as recent as this weekend in Grozny.
My close friend was a personal acquaintance of Kalashnikov, and even had his son present him an award at some ceremony honoring Mikhail a number of years ago, so a lot of the information I have learned has been through a very close source. He also had a lot of information on why the really bad stock angle and length of pull was chosen for the AK, due to the cramped space inside of a motorized vehicle for a soldier firing out the individual firing ports, seated with full equipment inside. They departed from that when they went to the AKM, which had a more in-line stock angle.
![[Image: X9896584-7.jpg]](http://topicstock.pantip.com/wahkor/topicstock/2010/11/X9896584/X9896584-7.jpg)
Ever seen this: ![[Image: russian-assault-rifle-d.jpg]](http://files.tactical-life.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/russian-assault-rifle-d.jpg)
The New AKs - Nukes - 12-09-2014
LRRPF52 Wrote:...As to the method of operation, the AK and Mp44 have very few similarities....
Please hold forth on those differences. I am all ears.
The New AKs - montana - 12-09-2014
Just from a personal point of view I always thought the similarities in lay out of the two firearms were too close for coincidence. The long stroke piston and similar recoil spring lay out, magazine design are too similar. The Germans STG-44 borrowed the bolt from the Russians SVT Tokarev semi auto rifle. The Russians borrowed the Tokarev's gas system from Belgians Dieudonne Saive's design. Kalishnikov also borrowed the trigger in the AK from the Americans M-1 Garand rifle. Eugene Stoner borrowed many parts of the M-16 from the STG-44 and the bolt from Melvin Johnson's M1941 semi automatic rifle. It would be disingenuous for Kalashnikov to take full credit for his design. He may have put it all together but he borrowed everything from other designs.
The New AKs - dmsims21 - 12-09-2014
I recommend reading the comment section below the article. There seems to be a lot of history on the topic. It is worth reading.
The New AKs - montana - 12-09-2014
dmsims21 Wrote:I recommend reading the comment section below the article. There seems to be a lot of history on the topic. It is worth reading.
I did read it. I never claimed Schmeisser was the real inventor, but I do believe the Russians were very influenced not only by the STG-44's capability but by its initial layout. I could be wrong and if I am this would be one of the greatest coincidences in history. If I am wrong it could be why the Russians failed to equal the capabilities of the STG-44 rifle.
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftopwar.ru%2F13322-glavnyy-konkurent-ak-47-na-konkursnyh-ispytaniyah-avtomat-bulkina-ab-46.html&act=url
The New AKs - Nukes - 12-09-2014
Why we are not likely to be replaced by computers as soon as some "singularity" forecasters suggest:
"...performance of the vapor node flue above the barrel.... Stalk shutter has an opening in which to do the battle turning larva with 2 stops fighting type."