Quote:The .416 Hushpuppy, a new proprietary round being offered with a AR upper by AM-TAC Precision was announced at SHOT this year. The concept to the round is claimed to have a maximum point blank range to 200yds on a man sized target, and creates a wound channel larger than 12ga 00 buck or a slug due to the yawing characteristics of the bullet when it encounters a soft target. The round is designed to be shot suppressed, and AM-TAC is currently working with suppressor manufactures to have a suppressor made for the round.

While it is definitely a funny looking round with an even more interesting name, the initial numbers that are being put out there by AM-TAC look promising. The rounds ballistics are being compared to 12ga rounds in terms of the amount of energy dispersed and wound channel sectional data. The round is designed to be marketed to the LE and hunting community, and would make a great hog or predator round. The upper is made with all commonly found products, except the barrel which will be proprietary. The bolt carrier will be a standard AR BCG, the bolt will be a 7.62×39 bolt. While AM-TAC will be producing the bolts, in a pinch one could find a 7.62×39 bolt and put it in the rifle if needed. While the ammo will also be proprietary at first, AM-TAC will have a company that will OEM the brass for reloaders, while the bullets will be available off the shelf.

While I do not think this round will be the next .300BLK, I do believe that it will have a following if AM-TAC is able to get the word out, and keep prices at a believable level. As a predator hunter myself I would be eager to use the round in a hunting application to see how it handles. We will certainly have to see if the round stands up to the test of time, and the discerning shooters out there that will be shooting the round.

bwaites Wrote:I've wondered about the advantages of the Blackout. I keep coming back to the fact that my 230 grain .45 round has a bigger meplat, travels at a little slower speed our of my 1911, and actually mushrooms on impact, making it even larger than .45. Shoot that same out of a 16 inch Beretta Storm and it supresses nicely, nearly matches a 220gr Blackout bullet in speed, and is accurate at 100 yards, and is still traveling plenty fast to make a bad guy think twice.

I think the Blackout is a cool idea, I just can't figure out where it would fit in my "useful" arsenal.

Now the Hushpuppy comes along, and ......

And no reason a .45 suppressor wouldn't work just fine on it, if you really wanted one!

GMinor Wrote:Hornady tests their A-Maxes to ensure each lot will expand at 1000 fps upon entry.

KentuckyBuddha Wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zuu5OMNy2gs

Klem Wrote:Haven't tried the LeHigh projies, only because they will not cycle in my system.

My systems subsonic window of available projectiles is 210-225gr. LeHigh produces two designs of subsonic 30cal projies and they are both too light for my gun. They make the Controlled Fracturing in two 30cal weights; 170gr and 174gr. The other one is their ME (maximum expansion), however this is also too light at 200gr.

The Blackout is inherently under-gassed with the large diameter barrel dropping the chamber pressure quicker than smaller calibres (.223 and 6.5). In its early days barrel manufacturers were pretty much making all barrels with carbine-length gas ports (including the one I have). By the time the bullet passes the 7" mark there's not a lot of pressure left to cycle the action. This is especially evident when using subsonics which are loaded to only 3/5 the SAAMI peak chamber pressure. If I load anything under 210gr it will either be too fast/supersonic and cycle, or be subsonic but with not enough pressure to cycle. At the top end anything more than 225gr and you risk not having enough case capacity with the length of pointy projies (the COAL is fixed at 57mm due to the internal length of an AR mag), or being too heavy for the 1:8twist and so being unstable. Barrel manufacturers are now selling Blackouts with pistol-length gas ports and slightly faster twists 1:7.

Getting back to LeHigh. Even if I could load their rounds I doubt they will be any different to a .45cal handgun hollow-point. Probably the wider 45cal diameter will slow quicker in flesh than the 30cal Blackout.

Both LeHigh and Outlaw State subsonic bullets are expensive at about $2 each.

My thoughts...I like the pointy projies with plenty of mass at the back of the bullet. On hitting flesh when subsonic they want to quickly reverse and that causes the tumble.

I forgot on the previous post to include the 200gr Lapua subsonic. Again, this does not cycle in my gun but in pistol-length gas systems you could get it to. Regardless it does not do anything except laser-beam through flesh.

I like those Twang-n-bang clips. I find he is very fair and reasonable with his reviews.

GMinor Wrote:Hornady tests their A-Maxes to ensure each lot will expand at 1000 fps upon entry.

GMinor Wrote:I dont hunt sub sonic. Loading sub-sonic is for the birds anyway