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Texas Pastor Publicly Totes AR-15, Aims to Bring Attention to Open Carry Laws - Nukes - 08-20-2013
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/08/s-h-blannelberry/does-your-state-honor-open-carry/
Texas Pastor Publicly Totes AR-15, Aims to Bring Attention to Open Carry Laws - Peck1631 - 08-20-2013
It's open carry here in NM too but I don't need that kind of attention. Now that I do carry I always look for the " no firearms allowed " signs, and have been surprised at the odd locations they are at in the establishments.
Texas Pastor Publicly Totes AR-15, Aims to Bring Attention to Open Carry Laws - Deer Hunter - 08-21-2013
Its open carry under certain circumstances here in GA as long as you have a valid carry permit @ you're allowed to open carry while hunting with a valid GA hunting license. As you see they pen you down on where, how and why. But I agree with Peck, why draw attention to yourself?
Texas Pastor Publicly Totes AR-15, Aims to Bring Attention to Open Carry Laws - bwaites - 08-21-2013
Because if enough gun owners would open carry, it would get to the point where it was normal. In small town Idaho, you see lots of people at the grocery and hardware store who are carrying, no one thinks anything of it.
The Constitution says "keep and bear arms". Bearing arms, by definition, connotes carrying arms that are visible for your own and others defense. That's our Constitutional right. Rifles were the most common arm at the time of the Constitution, so it was really addressing that right specifically. Texas gets that, but for the life of me I can't figure out why they outlaw open pistol carry!
I think states where the right to open carry is based upon owning a concealed carry license is one of the biggest travesties foisted upon American citizens. The Constitution guarantees that right. MOST state Constitutions do as well.
Most states also have specific signage required of those barring carry in their establishments. IF it isn't there and in the proper format, you are under no obligation to obey it.
Texas Pastor Publicly Totes AR-15, Aims to Bring Attention to Open Carry Laws - BjornF16 - 08-22-2013
Texas had some very onerous gun laws following the UT Tower shooting in the 60s. Concealed carry was a step in the right direction. We are working on open carry after passage of Castle Doctrine a few years back.
There are caveats to open carry of rifles (i.e. not calculated to cause alarm)…some local LEA's use that caveat to effectively prohibit open carry. Austin, Houston and a few other towns/cities practice this (police departments, not sheriff's departments). A good example was the Temple police who arrested the Fort Hood soldier who was walking on a country road with his Boy Scout son (who was working on his 10 mile hike for a merit badge). http://www.kcentv.com/story/21860185/local-soldier-says-police-violated-his-guns-rights
Texas Pastor Publicly Totes AR-15, Aims to Bring Attention to Open Carry Laws - montana - 08-22-2013
In Montana we can carry open or concealed. If you are in a city limits you can carry open but need a concealed weapons permit to carry concealed under clothing. If you carry concealed in a pack, purse, fanny pack or in your vehicle, you don't need any permit.
I love Montana.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Montana
Texas Pastor Publicly Totes AR-15, Aims to Bring Attention to Open Carry Laws - LR1955 - 08-22-2013
OK guys. Get your blasters holstered in the open and head to Starbucks this Saturday!
http://www.11alive.com/news/article/303543/166/Gun-control-group-Skip-Starbucks-Saturday
LR1955
Texas Pastor Publicly Totes AR-15, Aims to Bring Attention to Open Carry Laws - KentuckyBuddha - 08-22-2013
I can't open carry, even if I wanted to as far as I know, but I will stop by and tell the barrista that I like the policy of minding their own business. Not sure it will help, but it probably won't hurt either.
Texas Pastor Publicly Totes AR-15, Aims to Bring Attention to Open Carry Laws - ricsmall - 08-22-2013
I guess the lady that commented at the end of the article would feel safer if no one was armed except the deranged lunatic that decided he didn't like people anymore and walked in and started blasting.
Texas Pastor Publicly Totes AR-15, Aims to Bring Attention to Open Carry Laws - LR1955 - 08-22-2013
ricsmall Wrote:I guess the lady that commented at the end of the article would feel safer if no one was armed except the deranged lunatic that decided he didn't like people anymore and walked in and started blasting.
Rick:
She is a typical liberal. If anyone said to her what you did in your post, it would not register. Lights on, no one home. No sense in even talking with them. They will not be convinced, will not care to listen, etc. so even giving them the time of day is a waste of a person's life.
I also disagree with this type of protest by the gun owners. They are doing it to get into the faces of the anti gun crowd and companies that may consider banning guns in their establishments. I don't mind leftists getting pissed off at people who use their own tactics against them but carrying a weapon means a person believes there is a threat present and in this case, there isn't.
I have a Washington State Concealed Carry Permit. Have had one for the last 15 plus years. I have carried concealed but it is pretty rare. I may have the need to carry a pistol five or ten times a year. And, none of them were because I wanted to stop by a coffee shop for a cup of coffee. I don't give money to leftist companies and find it confusing as to why these gun owners would give a cent to Starbucks.
But, it is entertaining to watch on the news for a minute or two.
LR1955
Texas Pastor Publicly Totes AR-15, Aims to Bring Attention to Open Carry Laws - cory - 08-22-2013
LR1955 Wrote:...carrying a weapon means a person believes there is a threat present...
Do you mean threat in general or a direct threat?
If you believe a person should only carry when they identify a direct threat I highly disagree.
Men are capable of doing great things and at the same time doing horrible things.
All men have the capacity for both Good and Evil.
As long as there is free will, and I hope there always is, there will be an existing threat in day to day life that merits carrying a weapon.
If it's for my own protection I'll likely carry a weapon but may not. However, if I have a young lady or a loved one under my protection you can be d**n sure I'll have a weapon nearby.
Texas Pastor Publicly Totes AR-15, Aims to Bring Attention to Open Carry Laws - LRRPF52 - 08-22-2013
Most States have laws that elaborate on the 2A, meaning they limit it to some extent. Texas is pretty bad from my perspective, and most of the county and municipal LE in Texas have a pretty long track-record of blatant corruption, which is even applauded by many Texans that I know, as long as you are of a certain genotype. Texas was one of the meccas of voting laws designed to keep Negroes from voting, particularly within the Democrat party.
I also am fundamentally opposed to concealed carry licensing, because I have to register myself as a gun-owner with the Bureau of Criminal Investigations in order to gain permission to exercise a fundamental right that was largely unregulated until the "Progressive" wave of assaults on the Bill of Rights. A criminal goes through no such process when choosing to conceal carry, which means a law-abiding citizen is placed in an unreasonable and lower legal, physical, and social position in relation to recidivist dirtbags who go through the revolving door of the system.
I think CCW laws are only palatable to legislators and statists because of the revenue generated by the licensing process, and they subconsciously know that the majority of sheep asking for permission to protect themselves are so docile anyway, they pose little threat to anybody. Just to purchase a pistol in NC, you have to get permission from the County Sheriff, who after several days will issue only a certain amount of permits. Some counties limit how many permits you can obtain in a calendar year.
At the end of the day, anyone should be able to practice the same carry or purchase habits that the least in society are capable of-namely criminals, otherwise you create a place where criminals are morally, legally, and most importantly-physically superior to the citizenry.
Here in Utah, we have some of the most relaxed firearms laws in the Nation, but we still have CFP permitting, and it specifically limits the type of firearm to be carried in your vehicle to the anemic handgun, no rifles, carbine, or shotguns, while the marxists black militant in D.C. like Eric Holder equip narco-traffickers with real military weaponry. If that seems like a stretch, talk to any family of an LEO who was gunned-down by narco-traffickers, like the female officer who was shot in the neck just above her vest out here not too long ago.
I was especially disappointed when our Governor vetoed a bill that the State legislature passed making concealed carry a right without needing to apply for a permit.
Texas Pastor Publicly Totes AR-15, Aims to Bring Attention to Open Carry Laws - LR1955 - 08-22-2013
cory Wrote:Do you mean threat in general or a direct threat?
If you believe a person should only carry when they identify a direct threat I highly disagree.
Men are capable of doing great things and at the same time doing horrible things.
All men have the capacity for both Good and Evil.
As long as there is free will, and I hope there always is, there will be an existing threat in day to day life that merits carrying a weapon.
If it's for my own protection I'll likely carry a weapon but may not. However, if I have a young lady or a loved one under my protection you can be d**n sure I'll have a weapon nearby.
Cory:
A guy or gal makes their decisions based on their own perceptions. I surely won't get in their way but I may question their decision. In this case, none of these gun owners think someone is going to enter their Starbucks and blast people. It is as likely to happen in Seattle as a asteroid hitting the same Starbucks. And the chances that any of these guys may witness a act where they would be authorized deadly force -- while going to or coming from that Starbucks -- is just as remote.
I don't go into the world thinking everything is a threat to me or my loved ones, so I carry when I perceive a chance exists where I may have to defend myself. Besides, carrying a 1911 around really sucks. It is heavy, hard to conceal, digs into my side, destroys clothing, and requires effort to safeguard it when dealing with places that do not allow firearms.
I take it you don't have a Concealed Carry Permit or Alabama doesn't allow for concealed carry?
LR1955
Texas Pastor Publicly Totes AR-15, Aims to Bring Attention to Open Carry Laws - LRRPF52 - 08-22-2013
When I lived in the South, Concealed Carry was a must. Every instance I have had where a hoodlum dirtbag who thought they were going to target me and be successful occurred in the South, to include 3 home invasions, 2 attempted car-jackings, and one store burglary.
I would likely be seriously injured or dead if I had not maintained the protective posture that I normally do.
Here in Utah, we don't reward criminals the same way the South does, and the demographics are strikingly different. (Every failed crime attempt against me in the South was perpetrated by one particular demographic, sans one incident.)
Every State in the Union now has some type of provisions to allow concealed carry, as Illinois was the last holdout, but recently passed legislation for it, much to the chagrin of the corrupt organized crime syndicate that has occupied Chicago City Council and Cook County since the 1800's.
Texas Pastor Publicly Totes AR-15, Aims to Bring Attention to Open Carry Laws - bwaites - 08-22-2013
LR1955 Wrote:Cory:
A guy or gal makes their decisions based on their own perceptions. I surely won't get in their way but I may question their decision. In this case, none of these gun owners think someone is going to enter their Starbucks and blast people. It is as likely to happen in Seattle as a asteroid hitting the same Starbucks. And the chances that any of these guys may witness a act where they would be authorized deadly force -- while going to or coming from that Starbucks -- is just as remote.
I don't go into the world thinking everything is a threat to me or my loved ones, so I carry when I perceive a chance exists where I may have to defend myself. Besides, carrying a 1911 around really sucks. It is heavy, hard to conceal, digs into my side, destroys clothing, and requires effort to safeguard it when dealing with places that do not allow firearms.
I take it you don't have a Concealed Carry Permit or Alabama doesn't allow for concealed carry?
LR1955
Yes, but there are other options besides a 1911. I used to carry a 1911, but switched to a smaller framed semiauto in .40 and have been very happy with it. It shoots well, and I can wear it all day and forget I even have it on.
I have experienced 2 incidents where I might have been forced to draw a firearm if I had not been aware enough of my surroundings. Both occurred while leaving big retail outlets.
I recognized something wasn't right about 2 steps into the parking lot, and quickly backtracked into the store. I then had the store call their security people, who listened to my story and quickly called police. Both incidents resulted in arrests of people who were wanted on multiple warrants. I didn't recognize them, but I recognized something was wrong. I'm a firm believer that the best gunfight is the one you never have, and where no harm comes to you.
And you are, of course, correct in the fact that most of us will never encounter that situation where we have to use deadly force. The VAST majority of cops retire without ever having to do so, but they all carry guns!
I carry anytime I am escorting my wife, daughters, or grandchildren, because getting them out of harms way is much more difficult than simply taking care of myself. If I'm with my sons and son-in-laws, none of us necessarily is carrying, (though at least one usually is), because with that group I feel that there is little risk of a confrontation of any type. A group of fit appearing young men who carry themselves with confidence discourages most gang banger wannabes. I recognize that won't protect us from the crazy guy spraying bullets from his AK, but a pistol generally won't either, just ask the cops responding to the LA bank robbery!
I carry because I promised myself a long time ago that I wasn't going to be the guy that watched someone in his family become a victim because it was inconvenient to carry.
Texas Pastor Publicly Totes AR-15, Aims to Bring Attention to Open Carry Laws - cory - 08-22-2013
LR1955 Wrote:Cory:
A guy or gal makes their decisions based on their own perceptions. I surely won't get in their way but I may question their decision. In this case, none of these gun owners think someone is going to enter their Starbucks and blast people. It is as likely to happen in Seattle as a asteroid hitting the same Starbucks. And the chances that any of these guys may witness a act where they would be authorized deadly force -- while going to or coming from that Starbucks -- is just as remote.
I don't go into the world thinking everything is a threat to me or my loved ones, so I carry when I perceive a chance exists where I may have to defend myself. Besides, carrying a 1911 around really sucks. It is heavy, hard to conceal, digs into my side, destroys clothing, and requires effort to safeguard it when dealing with places that do not allow firearms.
I take it you don't have a Concealed Carry Permit or Alabama doesn't allow for concealed carry?
LR1955
I don't disagree. It seems they want to make a point. I, like you, make my point by not spending a dime at starbucks.
I imagine carrying a 1911 sucks. I like my little xds for cc. I'm not going to hit anything from a distance, but that's not why I have it.
To your last point yes and yes. Why would you think otherwise?
Texas Pastor Publicly Totes AR-15, Aims to Bring Attention to Open Carry Laws - cory - 08-22-2013
bwaites Wrote:I carry because I promised myself a long time ago that I wasn't going to be the guy that watched someone in his family become a victim because it was inconvenient to carry.
Exactly!!!
Texas Pastor Publicly Totes AR-15, Aims to Bring Attention to Open Carry Laws - LR1955 - 08-22-2013
cory Wrote:I don't disagree. It seems they want to make a point. I, like you, make my point by not spending a dime at starbucks.
I imagine carrying a 1911 sucks. I like my little xds for cc. I'm not going to hit anything from a distance, but that's not why I have it.
To your last point yes and yes. Why would you think otherwise?
Cory:
Wasn't sure about Alabama. I can't recall what the laws were in GA or NC when I was in those states but something tells me that twenty plus years ago, you had a real hard time getting a CCP in most Southern states and their laws were very strict about where you could carry the firearm and if you could have it loaded. It was easier for me to get a CCP in Mass than it was in any of the Southern states at that time.
I also carry a Colt Combat Commander that is a bit smaller than a full up 1911. Sometimes a Model 13 M&P with a 3" bbl. Most of the time it is a 1911, though.
LR1955
Texas Pastor Publicly Totes AR-15, Aims to Bring Attention to Open Carry Laws - BjornF16 - 08-23-2013
LRRPF52 Wrote:Most States have laws that elaborate on the 2A, meaning they limit it to some extent. Texas is pretty bad from my perspective, and most of the county and municipal LE in Texas have a pretty long track-record of blatant corruption, which is even applauded by many Texans that I know, as long as you are of a certain genotype. Texas was one of the meccas of voting laws designed to keep Negroes from voting, particularly within the Democrat party.
County LE means sheriffs here in Texas…they are some of the most pro 2A supporters in the state. I'm not sure what time period you are referring to, but it sounds like the 60's.
Some of the municipal LE (city police) may have anti 2A sentiments. Austin, San Antonio, Houston and Dallas come to mind. Add Temple (too close to Austin). The rest are pretty supportive of 2A.
I think the "big city" police departments end up anti 2A because they are appointed officials and most of the big cities are liberal leaning. Sheriffs are elected officials and tend to follow the majority of their constituency.
If you have a CHL in Texas, you get to skip the search line and can conceal carry in the state capitol...
Texas Pastor Publicly Totes AR-15, Aims to Bring Attention to Open Carry Laws - BjornF16 - 08-23-2013
LR1955 Wrote:I also carry a Colt Combat Commander that is a bit smaller than a full up 1911...Most of the time it is a 1911, though.
LR1955
LOL…you are "old school Army"