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Assaulted - Nukes - 06-21-2013 There are, in increasingly frightening numbers, cells of angry men in the United States preparing for combat with the U.S. government. They are usually heavily armed, blinded by an intractable hatred, often motivated by religious zeal. Theyre not jihadists. They are white, right-wing Americans, nearly all with an obsessive attachment to guns, who may represent a greater danger to the lives of American civilians than international terrorists. Editorial Peril from 'patriots' Los Angeles Times The U.S. needs to keep a close watch on the growing threat of home-grown extremist groups March 8, 2013 Read more: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-patriot-groups-splc-report-20130308,0,2444361.story ------- Movie Review: Assaulted: Civil Rights Under Fire By Nick Leghorn * Contributor The Truth About Guns June 6, 2013 http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/06/foghorn/movie-review-assaulted-civil-rights-under-fire/ Kris Koenigs Kickstarter funded documentary, Assaulted: Civil Rights Under Fire, started life as a film about the state of gun control in California. But thanks to the post-Newtown gun control fervor on a national level, the project blossomed to encompass the entire debate and not just the trainwreck that is California. The film is coming out on June 20th with Ice-T as the narrator, but they gave us an advance copy to review. So, will those of us who invested be getting our moneys worth of 2A-defending goodness? . . . The entire time I was watching this film, I kept asking myself would my mother watch this? As many of you know, my mom is a staunch gun control advocate and firmly under the spell of the MAIG/Brady/HuffPo/CSGV anti-gun axis. And the reason I was using her as a litmus test was that shes pretty much the poster child for the kind of low-information voter who might be swayed by the right argument hopefully at least some of the audience who will see the movie. But honestly, I just dont see that happening. The documentary is smoothly polished, well thought out and it cogently presents the argument that gun rights are a fundamental civil right. The producers provide support in both historical and legal terms. They even went so far as to include a re-enactment of the Battle of Athens, courtesy of Bagwell Entertainment, to bring the story to life. The addition of Ice-T as a narrator was a nice touch, keeping the movie as far away from the old fat white guy stereotype as possible. And throughout the film, Kris obviously opted for as many non-OFWG representatives as possible to speak about guns, which is fantastic for our image. But in this case, Ice-T may not have been the best choice. Morgan Freeman he is not, and his speaking style becomes distracting at times. As for content, for someone who believes in gun rights, this film was a confirmation of all of your beliefs. It presented all of the arguments that I found personally persuasive when I was formulating my own position on firearms, and does it in a way thats approachable and logical. But that I think might be the documentarys downfall: its heavily weighted toward the pro-2A side. Even the title of the film, Civil Rights Under Fire, portrays gun control as an assault on Americans fundamental civil rights. And while I agree that it is, thats probably not a title that will be packing the theaters with many Moms Demand Action members. Gun control advocates will be looking for a balanced examination, something closer to the investigation of the AR-15 that CNBC released recently. A vehicle in which the Brady Campaign and MAIG will be allowed their time on the soapbox to preach their message of civilian disarmament, and be treated as valid opinions. But the only time that happens is in one segment where a Brady Campaign spokesman discusses the features that make a firearm an assault weapon. And after every feature Kris immediately follows it up with a swift and succinct rebuttal from gun guys pointing out how idiotic the Bradys opinion is. Dont get me wrong, I enjoyed it almost as much as watching Carolyn McCarthy talking about the shoulder thing that goes up. But for a gun control advocate, its like watching someone kick your puppy. Yes, documentaries are supposed to advance an idea or agenda based on evidence provided, and Kris film does that beautifully. But for that same reason, I can very easily see the gun control advocates labeling this as propaganda and advising their true believers that anyone who even watches it is a whackjob. Its a film that presents facts, history and logic in a debate where emotion has swayed so many people into abandoning their right to self defense, and while it tries to pluck those same emotional strings it falls short in that sense. Emotion based voters, like my mom, will not be swayed. This film is fantastic for those who love their firearms-related civil rights. It will strengthen the resolve of gun owners to fight for their rights, and it might even get some people off the fence who were previously ambivalent to the cause. But I dont see this making any progress among those who have long been drinking the civilian disarmament Kool-Aid. MPAA rating: PG-13 for violent disturbing images and brief strong language Running time: 1 hour, 19 minutes Kris Koenig has announced the theaters that will be showing his new documentary, Assaulted: Civil Rights Under Fire on the June 20-23rd opening weekend. Be there or be square . . . Playing: At AMC Burbank Town Center (CA) AMC Orange Orange County AMC Stony Brook 17 New York AMC Barrett 24 Atlanta AMC Grapevine 30 Dallas AMC First Colony 24 Houston AMC Arizona Center 24 Phoenix AMC South Barrington Chicago AMC Hoffman Center 22 Washington, DC AMC Sunset Place 24 Miami AMC Westminster Promenade 24 Denver AMC Alderwood 16 Seattle AMC Barton Creek 14 Austin AMC Deer Valley 16 SF Bay Area Phoenix Dos Lagos Corona, CA Carousel Greensboro Trailer: "Assaulted: Civil Rights Under Fire" Documentary on Gun Rights http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/06/foghorn/movie-review-assaulted-civil-rights-under-fire/ * Nick Leghorn is a gun nerd living and working in San Antonio, Texas. In his free time, he's a competition shooter (USPSA, 3-gun and NRA High Power), EMT-B and enjoys mixing statistics and science with firearms. Now on sale: Getting Started with Firearms by yours truly! --------- 'Assaulted' documentary advocates for gun rights By Glenn Whipp glenn.whipp@latimes.com Film critic Los Angeles Times June 19, 2013 http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-mn-assaulted-civil-rights-fire-review-20130620,0,2714817.story For a gun-rights advocacy documentary that opens with a fluttering American flag and a twangy country vocalist singing "got a gun to keep us strong / that's what our country was founded on" (the next verse violates the Old Testament's Fourth Commandment ... but not the 2nd Amendment), "Assaulted: Civil Rights Under Fire" is a reasoned counter to Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine" and, as such, a constructive addition to the current national firearms debate. The almost-complete absence of dissenting voices will likely limit its audience to gun-toting members of the choir, though anyone with an interest in the subject would be well-served by hearing its arguments. Director Kris Koenig's inspired choice of rap star Ice-T as narrator signals the film's relative finesse in addressing gun owner stereotypes as a way of arguing against most but not all firearm restrictions. We hear from gun owners of all stripes women, minorities, old-timers, paraplegics, even an LGBT gun group called the Pink Pistols making the movie's fundamental assertion that self-protection is a right and, in times when the "thin veneer of civilization" breaks down, a necessity, a defense for the defenseless. There's much talk about constitutional rights, no mention of high-capacity magazines or the effectiveness of gun laws in other nations. For the filmmakers, it's all about the 2nd Amendment, which, to their thinking, demands a responsibility for one's own well-being, the "most sacred civil right." Reader comments: http://discussions.latimes.com/20/lanews/la-et-mn-assaulted-civil-rights-fire-review-20130620/10 ### Assaulted - Deer Hunter - 06-21-2013 Well within new 2A guidelines, good article Nukes. Assaulted - montana - 06-21-2013 What can be done to reverse this tide of belligerent ignorance? Not much. The typical patriot acts within his free-speech and 2nd Amendment rights, and in fact most patriot activity consists of venting steam by meeting with like-minded Neanderthals and firing off blog posts threatening civil war. Yet such blather tends to get under the skin of the Timothy McVeighs of the world. These groups should be closely monitored, with resources adequate to the task, even if it means shifting some homeland security money from the hunt for foreign terrorists. This was taken out of the L.A. Times editorial, LOL, some how people are acting within their constitutional rights is terrifying......patriots are neanderthals......comparing patriots to mass murders.....shift more money away from hunting foreign terrorist to monitor more closely patriot groups. This is the mind set of progressives, now I know what all the effects psychotropic drug use and face lift operations is having on the users. This isn't getting scary, its getting spooky. Great find nukes. Assaulted - Nukes - 06-21-2013 Without getting too deep into psycho-babble, by the use of neurolinguistics and imagery the media has been very effective in attacking the RKBA. Montana spotlighted a salient example, the RKBA-patriot-Neanderthal-civil war conjunction. Words are very important in framing the debate. You cannot win a debate about "cop killer bullets" and "assault weapons." We should frame the debate with "affordable guns," "anti-self-defense lobby," "victim disarmament is not a policy that saves lives," "Goldilocks gun bans—some guns are 'too big,' some guns are 'too small,' but no gun is 'just right' for the anti-self-defense lobby," etc. Assaulted - BjornF16 - 06-22-2013 montana Wrote:What can be done to reverse this tide of belligerent ignorance? Not much. The typical patriot acts within his free-speech and 2nd Amendment rights, and in fact most patriot activity consists of venting steam by meeting with like-minded Neanderthals and firing off blog posts threatening civil war. Yet such blather tends to get under the skin of the Timothy McVeighs of the world. These groups should be closely monitored, with resources adequate to the task, even if it means shifting some homeland security money from the hunt for foreign terrorists. Not a scientific poll, but indicative of how out of touch the author of the article is with readers and 2A issues…only 5% of respondents of LA Times online poll (linked with editorial) think Patriot groups should be a concern... Assaulted - Deer Hunter - 06-22-2013 BjornF16 Wrote:Not a scientific poll, but indicative of how out of touch the author of the article is with readers and 2A issues…only 5% of respondents of LA Times online poll (linked with editorial) think Patriot groups should be a concern... What can you expect from someone in California (the Liberal mecca of the USA)? Assaulted - bwaites - 06-24-2013 Deer Hunter Wrote:What can you expect from someone in California (the Liberal mecca of the USA)? Actually, its not California, its the big population centers in California. MOST of the state, geographically, is red. Just like most of Washington State is red. Unfortunately, the big population centers are where the media is and where the votes are. Go to Northern California, or anywhere smaller than 40,000, and its a red state. But they have lost, and the blue cities rule. Assaulted - TheOTHERmaninblack - 06-24-2013 That pretty much covers everything, doesn't it? We're in the last days of Rome here, where the unwashed toil to fulfill the needs of the citizens of Rome-- or in this case, the hive cities. We've lost effectively our voice and our vote (now that SCOTUS had decreed that positive voter ID is unconstitutional). From here on, it only gets worse. The non-hive areas can petition for secession all they want (as several counties in Colorado are) but the tyrannical majorities will not abide the escape of their cash cows. And as long as they get to pad their majorities (if, indeed such majorities exist) with vote fraud, there's no way in hell it will ever turn around. Even when the system sort of worked, the right had to overcome an inherent 4-10% bias due to fraud/media bias. Now that the left has been given free reign, there'll be no stopping them. Assaulted - bwaites - 06-24-2013 TheOTHERmaninblack Wrote:That pretty much covers everything, doesn't it? We're in the last days of Rome here, where the unwashed toil to fulfill the needs of the citizens of Rome-- or in this case, the hive cities. We've lost effectively our voice and our vote (now that SCOTUS had decreed that positive voter ID is unconstitutional). From here on, it only gets worse. I wish I could say I disagreed, but I'm becoming too cynical. I saw a statistic the other day that said that we now have 17 States that have non working majorities. I haven't seen that confirmed, and haven't had the time to run it down, but if its true, its a huge shift and probably has pushed us past recovery. Assaulted - Fillar - 06-25-2013 I have to agree with bwaites. As, an economist that looks at territories for our US fortune 1000 firms to expand abroad - I always look at the entitlement variable (plus GDP, birth rates, saving rates, geopolitical structure, etc.). I present to those corporate executives the spirals that will ensure in entitled nations. It wasn't until last year that I included the States in that list and recommend products (consumer packaged goods) that our clients may need to consider pulling back from US distribution and make more profit abroad. If you haven't read Atlas Shrugged, you should. For years I disagreed with her (Ayn Rand) selfish philosophy but my eyes were opened in the last two years; her philosophies primary focus is around individualism rights from a Gov't that deviates from the constitution. If Ayn Rand is too much for you, at least pick up James Wesley Rawes. James was military intelligence and a great 2A planner. You won't be able to put his books down. Assaulted - TheOTHERmaninblack - 06-25-2013 Rand was a great visionary, but a terrible writer. Watch the movies:p Jesting aside, Rand and Orwell were dead on. The trouble is, there ain't no Gault's Gulch to go to. We waited too damn' long. About the only thing we can do is brace for impact and ride 'er in. Assaulted - JASmith - 06-25-2013 Bracing and riding her in didn't do much for that wing-walker or her pilot last week. Far better to find ways for people to find out how much fun shooting is. That will develop familiarity and lead to more acceptance. Then we will have more folks neutral or in favor of gun ownership. Assaulted - Deer Hunter - 06-25-2013 Fillar Wrote:I have to agree with bwaites. As, an economist that looks at territories for our US fortune 1000 firms to expand abroad - I always look at the entitlement variable (plus GDP, birth rates, saving rates, geopolitical structure, etc.). I present to those corporate executives the spirals that will ensure in entitled nations. It wasn't until last year that I included the States in that list and recommend products (consumer packaged goods) that our clients may need to consider pulling back from US distribution and make more profit abroad. I was part of a Georgia Economic Development program and this is exactly what big Corporations look at. Location, Tax incentives and skilled workers not takers/Zombie POS's! Man I can't believe what has happened to our Country. I mean I work, I pay my taxes, I dont break the law and I Vote. But it doesn't mean a thing anymore. Assaulted - lilharcher - 06-25-2013 Deer Hunter Wrote:Man I can't believe what has happened to our Country. I mean I work, I pay my taxes, I dont break the law and I Vote. But it doesn't mean a thing anymore. Ain't that the truth......scary world we live in these days. Still more good people than bad, but those dang few bag apples sure can cause alot of pain and heart ache on society. Assaulted - TheOTHERmaninblack - 06-25-2013 JASmith Wrote:Bracing and riding her in didn't do much for that wing-walker or her pilot last week. While I do and will continue to do that, I fear you're missing the point. We're living in a country bent on proving Stalin right when he said that it doesn't matter who casts the votes, only who counts them. Assaulted - JASmith - 06-25-2013 TheOTHERmaninblack Wrote:...We're living in a country bent on proving Stalin right when he said that it doesn't matter who casts the votes, only who counts them.That observation might also explain the rabid drive for gun control in some quarters. We are willing to bow to an honest election with votes cast by caring and educated voters, but less willing to accept dishonest counting of votes cast by uncaring emotionally-driven voters. There may be some concern that the majority might take severe umbrage should the latter be proven as what happened. Used to be we had the option of moving to "greener pastures" but now those options are a bit constrained. Assaulted - bow shot - 07-01-2013 +1 for Ayn Rand. I disagree with her view concerning God... but I'm not one to throw out the baby with the bath water. She's (was) top notch. |