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Good news in the gun debate - BjornF16 - 02-02-2013 Found this on Forbes ( http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucerogers/2013/02/01/nra-winning-the-influence-battle-over-gun-control/ ). Biggest bang for our buck right now is with NRA. NRA Winning the Influence Battle Over Gun Control The gun control debate is clearly one of the most contentious and controversial issues in America today. And the battle over gun control is now being waged through intensive media campaigns from both sides of the political spectrum to influence public opinion and to assert pressure on policy makers. So whos winning? To find out, we turned to objective data provided exclusively to Forbes Insights by Appinions, the influence marketing platform. Keep in mind Forbes Insights has no agenda other than to shed research light on the process of measuring influence and what we can learn from it. The facts are objective, whatever your perspective on the issue may be. We certainly dont aim to promote either side and are just stating the facts of influence and who is leading or gaining ground through the lens of influence. Forbes Insights and Appinions looked at the data for the week prior to the Sandy Hook tragedy and trended the data over the subsequent 5 weeks to determine the ebb and flow over the gun control debate. We found that the NRA and the pro-gun rights voices are winning the influence battle and will continue to be strong and more influential if the pro gun control voice remains fragmented. On the flip side, the pro gun control voice could certainly gain influence if they establish a more united voice. Here are some other interesting observations from the data: Republican politicians are missing from the debate. The debate is an influence battle between President Barack Obamas Democrats and Wayne LaPierres NRA. Of the top 25 stakeholders in the debate, there is only 1 prominent Republican politician (Chris Christie who is pro-gun control). Barack Obama leads the pro-gun control voice with a net influence score of 268. LaPierre leads the anti-gun control side with a net influence score of 240. Its a Marathon, not a sprint. It seems the NRA has the stamina to out-run the pro-gun control movement. They are persistent, un-yielding and gaining influence. It will be interesting to see how the pro-gun control voice responds and how the influence between the two groups changes as the debate persists. The pro-gun rights voice is rapidly gaining influence while the pro-gun control voice has tapered in recent weeks. Momentum is shifting and the gun control debate is becoming a platform benefiting gun rights advocates. The progun control group is fragmented whereas the pro-gun rights voice is united and strong. Of the top influencers on the pro-gun rights side, the majority of the most prominent voices are from the NRA. The pro-gun control voice is split between Obama and several gun control advocacy groups which dilutes the message. Good news in the gun debate - Taylormade - 02-02-2013 Hopefully people are realizing that its not just about gun control when it obvious that the government doesn't care about the facts, such as guns being one of the least used weapons in violent crime, but hey they don't have to fear citizens with hammers, clubs, cars, etc..... Get it. Another thing, I can't believe how Feinstein thinks a adjustable stock is so evil. I would like to ask her when she buys a new car does she just drive it, or does she like to adjust the seat, peddles, mirrors? Good news in the gun debate - montana - 02-02-2013 Taylormade Wrote:Hopefully people are realizing that its not just about gun control when it obvious that the government doesn't care about the facts, such as guns being one of the least used weapons in violent crime, but hey they don't have to fear citizens with hammers, clubs, cars, etc..... Get it. Another thing, I can't believe how Feinstein thinks a adjustable stock is so evil. I would like to ask her when she buys a new car does she just drive it, or does she like to adjust the seat, peddles, mirrors? Good observation. Good news in the gun debate - leopard6.5 - 02-07-2013 I would recommend that anyone contacting their elected representatives include a solution to the problem in addition to telling them you disagree with proposed legislation. The solution should be simple and easy to fund. For example, my solution( feel free to use it if you want) for protecting our children( their stated goal) is to hire an armed guard for each school in the United States. At first this sounds expensive and they would argue there is no money to fund this plan but my solution is this: There are a little under 100,000 schools in the U.S. so I will round the number to 100,000 to make the math simpler and cleaner. If we hire one armed guard for each school, preferrably ex-military or law enforcement, at $40,000.00 each, this would cost $4,000,000,000.00 ( 4 Billion dollars) The federal budget for the Department of Education in Washington D.C. is approx. $70,000,000,000.00 ( 70 Billion dollars) per year and going up. This is the people who are constantly saying all they do is care about kids whenever a proposal is made to cut their budget. So we cut their budget by the needed $4,000,000,000.00 to fund the armed guards and we actually get something positive from this money instead of it being wasted as it is now. It's a simple and funded solution and it gets their stated goal, remember they only care about our children, solved. It also makes it hard for them to argue against the solution. Please keep contacting your representatives and local sheriffs. Lee Good news in the gun debate - LRRPF52 - 02-07-2013 They already had a school security plan with Federal money in-place under the last administration and Congresses, but this WH and Congress cut the funding for it, while spiking the Foreign Military Sales to Mexico, and funneling thousands of weapons to straw-buyers (many of whom were CI's for the FBI/DOJ) so they could sell those weapons to the Cartels. Never assume that politicians want less crime. History shows that politicians love crime, and our Congressmen come from professions where they have a lot of experience in court (43% of both houses admit that they are lawyers, while at least another 33% have law degrees, but list another profession as their primary, mostly real estate and doctors). Having more crime puts you into a position of being looked upon for solutions, rather than questioning your worth. They've seen this game over and over, and they successfully competed with other candidates for high office and won. They know that no amount of laws are going to ever stop criminal opportunists from targeting schools, and why would they want to risk being associated with a plan that actually might work? The moment someone successfully pulls off a school shooting where their police guard program is, and their name gets associated with supporting it, they're on the defensive. Crimes pays big-time for politicians. Why do you think they passed legislation exempting them from insider-trading, while they crack-down on Martha Stewart and throw her in prison as an example? Think of every dirty District Attorney, Judge, Partner at a large Law Firm, retired "war hero" (Duke Cunningham...John Kerry), rip-off artist who made millions on scams (Darryl Issa), or rich boy who's grandaddy boot-legged during prohibition (Ted Kennedy). These guys have been getting away with bribery, larceny, racketeering, and murder-literally, for decades. Take the worst we have to offer from all the counties across the US, and pack 'em in the Capitol Building, and you start to see the real picture. They were like this even in the 1800's. By the Prohibition era, the hypocrisy was so rampant, they had their liquor distributors pull up to the front of the Capitol building during legislative sessions, and carry suitcases of booze in to keep their mouths wet as they continued the "enforcement" of the 18th Amendment, and they were never vetted since it was repealed. Empires were built in that era, the Kennedy's being the most prominent. ![]() One of the jobs I had in D.C. was closely tied to military aides for Congressmen that Congress borrowed from my unit. They are a den of whores, the filthiest of filth, and a chasm of debauchery in our Nation's Capitol. Don't believe for a second that the majority there ever want to reduce crime, especially against children. Good news in the gun debate - montana - 02-07-2013 LRRPF52 Wrote:They already had a school security plan with Federal money in-place under the last administration and Congresses, but this WH and Congress cut the funding for it, while spiking the Foreign Military Sales to Mexico, and funneling thousands of weapons to straw-buyers (many of whom were CI's for the FBI/DOJ) so they could sell those weapons to the Cartels. My daughter is going to get a better history education from your post's than from all of her schooling. Good news in the gun debate - davidj - 02-07-2013 LRRPF52 Wrote:They already had a school security plan with Federal money in-place under the last administration and Congresses, but this WH and Congress cut the funding for it,Interesting. Can you supply a source for this so I can use it elsewhere? Good news in the gun debate - bow shot - 02-07-2013 LRRPF52 Nailed it precisely. 'and God backs him up: Daniel 4:17: This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men. Good news in the gun debate - LRRPF52 - 02-07-2013 davidj Wrote:Interesting. Can you supply a source for this so I can use it elsewhere? Ask, and ye shall receive... Before Connecticut tragedy, administration eliminated emergency preparedness program,let school violence prevention programs lapse http://www.washingtonguardian.com/washingtons-school-security-failure Good news in the gun debate - hydrotech - 02-11-2013 As a pro second ammendment supporting teacher, I favor allowing schools to let properly trained and willing teachers conceal carry. There arer a lot of former military coaches and teachers as well as hunting and sportshooting teachers where i live in S.E. Missouri. Its not for every teacher, but for those who want it is a good option. Good news in the gun debate - BjornF16 - 02-11-2013 I think each school district should be allowed to choose: no guns, paid security only, a few designated CHL teachers, or any teacher with CHL (and maybe some additional training). After sitting through a couple of CHL qualification sessions, I can safely say some of the CHL carriers aren't much better shots than the average police officer. (I guess NYC and LA police officers don't practice much). Good news in the gun debate - cory - 02-11-2013 hydrotech Wrote:As a pro second ammendment supporting teacher, I favor allowing schools to let properly trained and willing teachers conceal carry. There arer a lot of former military coaches and teachers as well as hunting and sportshooting teachers where i live in S.E. Missouri. Its not for every teacher, but for those who want it is a good option. +100 Good news in the gun debate - JASmith - 02-11-2013 hydrotech Wrote:As a pro second ammendment supporting teacher, I favor allowing schools to let properly trained and willing teachers conceal carry. There arer a lot of former military coaches and teachers as well as hunting and sportshooting teachers where i live in S.E. Missouri. Its not for every teacher, but for those who want it is a good option. Couple that with random visits by uniformed LEOs more or less daily, and one develops a powerful deterrent and a pretty effective fall-back option. Good news in the gun debate - Nukes - 02-11-2013 Homeschooling worked great for us, better education, better security, and zero PC nonsense. Good news in the gun debate - montana - 02-12-2013 But what about the diversity? Good news in the gun debate - BjornF16 - 02-12-2013 There is a huge misnomer about homeschooling. There may be some who isolate themselves, but we didn't. 1. Homeschooling groups. Get togethers for: teaching subjects, sports, socials, awards, plays, field trips, tutoring, music, etc 2. Church groups. Interaction once or twice a week with peers 3. Boy Scouts (or Cub Scouts, Girl Scouts, etc) 4. Sports (standard leagues that public schools participate in; some areas allow homeschoolers to participate in public school sports) 5. FFA, FHA, etc 6. JROTC (Civil Air Patrol, etc) Our kids only had a couple of nights a week where something wasn't going on...it could be tiring. The bonus is most of these "extra-curricular" activities are with like minded folks. Diverse enough? Good news in the gun debate - shotgun_wedding - 02-12-2013 We homeschooled, and didn't have any trouble with the kids having enough social outlet. For extracurricular activities, we did piano lessons, martial arts, and church, among other things. 3 of our 4 kids are now black belts, 2 in college. For the social aspect, I think many folks think that kids need to learn to deal with other kids. I don't think that is correct. Most of your life, you need to get along with other grown-ups, so learning how to do that as a kid gives you a head start in the world - IMHO. Good news in the gun debate - BjornF16 - 02-12-2013 I forgot about their tae-kwon-do lessons... |