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77gr, SMK - ricsmall - 08-17-2012
I know this isnt grendel related, but can someone give me the length of a 77gr. Sierra Match King (.224). Just trying to compare to length of some other bullets I have in stock.Thanks in advance.
77gr, SMK - JASmith - 08-17-2012
JBM Ballistis has a page of bullet lengths: http://www.jbmballistics.com/ballistics/lengths/lengths.shtml.
That page indicates a length of 0.994".
77gr, SMK - ricsmall - 08-17-2012
JASmith Wrote:JBM Ballistis has a page of bullet lengths: http://www.jbmballistics.com/ballistics/lengths/lengths.shtml.thanks JA, couldnt find anything anywhere. Youd think sierra would have that type info, but i guess thats their way of saying, go buy and try dummy!
That page indicates a length of 0.994".
77gr, SMK - stokesrj - 08-18-2012
What are you trying to figure out on the 77 SMK, I shoot 10-14k of them a year, they are a very good shooting bullet out of a 1:8, 1:7.7, 1:7 or 1:6.5 twist barrel and some 1:9 twist will shoot them well too. The universal load for service rifle use is 24 grains of R15, 24 grains of Varget, or 23.2 grains of IMR8208XBR assuming a Wylde chamber.
Bob
77gr, SMK - LRRPF52 - 08-18-2012
I have 100 of the new 77gr Lapua Scenar-L's to try out in one of my 1/8 twist melonite barrels. They are longer than 1", maybe 1.03"-I don't have my micrometer with me.
They are made with a totally different process than the standard Scenars.
77gr, SMK - ricsmall - 08-18-2012
stokes
just trying to decide if I want to try in my 1:9 or not. I probably will,as I plan to replace this pipe anyway with a 1:8. May also try some 70gr Bergers over varget and 335. The 335 is most accurate in another gun under the bergers, though I thought the varget would be.
lrrpf52
Those are some "cute" little logos on the base of the bullets :p. Im def, gonna try some lapuas in my grendel at some point so I can compare to the sierras. Probably 108 vs 107. I would like to find some type of formal competition around here close to me but no luck as of yet. Gonna have to dig a little more. Dont want to do what stokes is doing, just want to compete on occasion to keep myself sharp. I know informal competition with friends etc. usually brings out my best. Also think I could learn more from guys who compete regularly.
Kinda off topic huh?
just typing as I think.
77gr, SMK - stokesrj - 08-18-2012
Where in Georgia are you? Georgia is one of the greatest states in the Union for high power competition. I know a lot of Georgia shooters and am currently planning a combined Florida, Georgia, and Alabama state championship match to be held at the Rice Plantation which is near Blakely Georgia. About half way between Dothan and Albany, the American Marksmanship Academy.
http://www.marksmanshipacademy.com/about-aim/#.UC-LVO3A5UQ
I also shoot at River Bend, north of Atlanta and Ft Benning the home of the Army Marksmanship Unit near Columbia.
Bob
77gr, SMK - ricsmall - 08-18-2012
stokes
Im in thomasville, ga. About 35 minutes from tallahassee. Is all the highpower comp. open sights or are optics used in certain events. Dont mean to sound ignorant, but I am ign. when it comes to the highpower stuff. Was around benchrest a little when my uncle and a friend were shooting, did a little shooting myself, but other than that, very little exposure to formal competition. I was thinking practical would suit me better, but you may be able to enlighten me and make me spend some $$.LOL. Thanks for any info Bob. BTW, when is the tentative date for the shoot at Rice plantation? I may want to ride over and at least observe.
77gr, SMK - LRRPF52 - 08-19-2012
Check Sniper's Hide in the Tactical Competitions section. There are more competitions than I could ever keep track of across the US. It's cool to see how geography drives the disciplines in different directions.
As far as bullets go, most shooters that buy in bulk are looking for a pill that will shoot well, that is the most affordable. Sierra's are popular as such.
77gr, SMK - stokesrj - 08-19-2012
I have a good friend that lives in Thomasville, his name is David Poole. Any chance you know him? He raises quail for the plantations around there and Llewellin Setters, which is how I know him, I also own Llewellin setters.
The dates for the Rice Plantation shoot are up in the air as we are trying to coordinate with three state associations. I'm the President of the Florida State Association and know the precise date that would be better for everyone, it's just that those hard headed Alabama and Georgia guys can't yet see clearly
Optics are allowed in High Power matches but must compete in a separate class. However, so far no one has beat the metallic sights. This year at the Nationals David Tubb, and eleven time national champ shot optics and came in 7th over all. For this type of competition, optics are a disadvantage. That is hard to believe and most people don't until they learn to use iron sights properly, which takes time and effort. Just yesterday testing out some loads in my match rifle I shot a ten shot .486" group at 100 yards with metallic sights.
The national match course of fire (also called across the course) is 10 rounds standing at 200 yards in 10 minutes, 10 yards sitting at 20 yards in 60 seconds with a mag change, 10 rounds prone at 300 yards in 70 seconds with a mag change, and 20 rounds prone at 600 yards in 20 minutes. A sling is used for support in all but the standing position. It is fired with service rifle, which now means AR15A2 or match rifle.
There is also F-class which is much more leisurely run match and is fired all prone from a bipod or rest, the open class is much like bench rest except fired prone.
Across the Course is all about building solid positions and F-Class is all about equipment and loading techniques. They are much different games.
The action stuff is well, I don't want to disparage any fellow competitiors, but people I know who have shot both don't consider the action games to really require that you know how to shoot a rifle. One of the top shot TV show guys who specialized in action shooting wanted to try his hand at across the course and shot with my junior team (i'm their coach) to come in last place.
I shot IPSC back when it was pistols only and did quite well at it but that kind of shooting just doesn't appeal to me any longer so maybe I'm not at good one to advocate for this type of competition.
It sounds to me you might enjoy F-Class.
Bob
77gr, SMK - ricsmall - 08-19-2012
thanks for the info bob. I dont remember a David Poole, but I do know some pooles here in Tville, Ill ask about david and maybe look him up. My family raises quail in Alabama and sells most around here to places so they probably know him. Anyway, it does sound like F-class would be a good start for me,as I already have a base gun that could be repiped if needed. Although, Savage has a purpose built 6-284(I believe) for F-class and I have heard all good about it. My uncle that sells quail is the one who shot BR until getting remarried, he had a 6-284 built for play shooting, and it was a screamer! I like the round, but it eats barrels.
Back to topic, thanks again for the info, and Im gonna do more research on all the equipment Ill need. In the mean time let me know when you and those bama and georgia folks agree on a date.
77gr, SMK - Rambozo - 08-19-2012
If you go F-Class, my vote is to go F-TR. It's .308 and .223 only, so there is a lower equipment ceiling.