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Mexico's Lawsuit Against US Gun Manufacturers Moves Forward - jasper2408 - 01-24-2024

Well the liberals thought of another angle to try and take our guns.

Quote:A $10 billion lawsuit by Mexico against U.S. gunmakers, alleging that the companies “deliberately” enabled firearms trafficking into the country, can move forward, an appeals court has ruled.

The lawsuit, filed by the Mexican government against seven American manufacturers and a distributor in 2021, alleged that the companies “deliberately facilitate gun trafficking” into Mexico, according to the Jan. 22 ruling issued by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 1st Circuit.

The complaint was initially filed at the federal district court in Massachusetts, which dismissed the lawsuit after deciding that U.S. gun companies were protected by the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) against Mexican claims.

The PLCAA prohibits certain lawsuits against gun manufacturers and sellers in U.S. federal and state courts. The appeals court agreed that “PLCAA’s limitations on the types of lawsuits that may be maintained in the United States apply to lawsuits initiated by foreign governments for harm suffered outside the United States.”

However, the appeals court observed that Mexico’s complaint potentially alleges a type of claim that could be “statutorily exempt” from PLCAA rules.

“We therefore reverse the district court’s holding that the PLCAA bars Mexico’s common law claims, and we remand for further proceedings,” the court stated.

“We conclude that the complaint adequately alleges that defendants aided and abetted the knowingly unlawful downstream trafficking of their guns into Mexico.”

The lawsuit seeks $10 billion in compensation.

Jonathan Lowy, president of Global Action on Gun Violence and co-counsel for the Mexican government in the case, welcomed the appeals court decision.

“Today’s ruling is a huge step forward in holding the gun industry accountable for its contribution to gun violence, and in stopping the flood of trafficked guns to the cartels,” he said in a Jan. 22 statement.

“Not only did the Court recognize the right of another country to sue U.S. gun companies, it also pierced the unfair legal shield that gun companies have been hiding behind since 2005.”

Texas-based litigator Steve Shadowen said the court ruling “marks an important step forward in holding the gun industry accountable for its role in transnational arms trafficking and in obtaining justice for the victims of their unlawful business practices, the people of Mexico.”
‘Scapegoating’

Lawrence Keane, chief lobbyist and media spokesperson for the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), disagrees with the decision. The organization is “reviewing our legal options,” he said in a Jan. 23 post on the social media platform X, formerly known as Twitter.

“Mexico should spend its time enforcing its own laws & bring Mexican criminals to justice in Mexican courtrooms, instead of scapegoating the firearm industry for their unwillingness to protect Mexican citizens,” he wrote.

Kostas Moros, an attorney who represents the California Rifle & Pistol Association, called Mexico’s argument in the case “comical on its face,” according to an X post.

“The basic idea is US gun laws are causing violence in Mexico. But that country has six times our homicide rate. If some smuggled guns from here are the problem in Mexico, we'd have a much worse problem here,” he said.

“Mexico’s complete failure to bring cartels to heel is not the fault of the United States nor its Second Amendment.

“These cartels are extremely wealthy and would always be able to get a hold of firearms. They are billion-dollar sophisticated businesses, not random gangbangers. Plus, Mexico has long had very high homicide rates. This isn’t some new thing.”
Focus on US Gun Industry

In its lawsuit, Mexico states that while having strict gun laws, the country has the third highest gun-related deaths globally. Mexico claims that it has just one gun store in the entire nation and issues fewer than 50 firearm permits annually.

“The number of gun-related homicides in Mexico grew from fewer than 2,500 in 2003 to approximately 23,000 in 2019. The percentage of homicides committed with a gun similarly rose from 15 percent in 1997 to 69 percent in 2021,” the appeals court ruling states.

Mexico insists that the increase in gun violence “correlates with the increase of gun production in the United States” since the end in 2004 of the U.S. ban on so-called assault weapons.

“Mexico claims that between 70 and 90 percent of the guns recovered at crime scenes in Mexico were trafficked into the country from the United States.”

Mexico’s claims have been opposed by a coalition of 20 state attorneys general who filed an amicus brief in the case seeking to protect U.S. firearms makers.

“Mexico claims that gun violence in its country increased because of the expiration of the U.S. assault weapons ban in 2004,” the brief said. “But homicide rates in Mexico declined in the three years after the assault-weapons ban ended and didn’t increase until Mexico declared war on its drug cartels in late 2006.”

It dismissed the argument that U.S. manufacturers are to blame for increased gun violence in Mexico.

This theory “rests entirely on the factual assertion that American gun manufacturers knowingly cause Mexican gun violence. But its theory falls apart under even cursory scrutiny.”

"Contrary to Mexico’s claims that American guns are ‘among the deadliest and most often recovered at crime scenes in Mexico,’ only a minority of guns recovered at crime scenes in Mexico can be traced back to the United States,” the states argued.

“Among the American guns recovered at crime scenes in Mexico, many were sold wholesale to the Mexican military and law enforcement and only ended up in cartel hands after soldiers or policemen deserted.”

Arkansas Attorney General Tim Griffin told The Epoch Times in May 2023 that the lawsuit was “part of a broad strategy by anti-gun activists to try to shut down firearms manufacturing” in the United States.

“Congress passed the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act to protect American businesses from these kinds of frivolous lawsuits.”



Mexico's Lawsuit Against US Gun Manufacturers Moves Forward - grendelnubi - 01-24-2024

What about the ATF arms trafficking? Maybe they have a case here?


Mexico's Lawsuit Against US Gun Manufacturers Moves Forward - montana - 01-25-2024

What about suing the Mexicans for all of the illegal criminals, sex slaves and drugs crossing our border?? That should be worth billions..


Mexico's Lawsuit Against US Gun Manufacturers Moves Forward - LRRPF52 - 01-25-2024

The majority of cartel weapons are from Foreign Military Sales contracts, military arms smuggled in from Guatemala and Nicaragua, and from Asia and the Middle East.

They aren’t buying LAWs, SAWs, Heavy Machineguns, RPGS, select fire AKs, and M203s from US gun stores and manufacturers.

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Also, if anyone in the US actively supports a foreign power in the disarmament or targeting of US entities who are engaged in one of the only enumerated powers in the Constitution (to PROVIDE for the common defense), they are engaging in treason.


Mexico's Lawsuit Against US Gun Manufacturers Moves Forward - grayfox - 01-25-2024

Amen to that.
Of course the marxiztz never let reason stand in their way.
I especially like the treason call-out. Maybe we the people should counter-sue Lowy and shadowen on that.


Mexico's Lawsuit Against US Gun Manufacturers Moves Forward - LRRPF52 - 01-25-2024

Every ATF and DOJ scumbag who supported Fast & Furious should be held criminally and personally liable as well.

The freaking Phoenix ASAC personally sold an FN FiveSeven pistol to a cartel straw buyer, and that handgun was found at the murder scene in Mexico.

He was already under internal investigation for rape/sexual assault of a female employee when he was the Los Angeles RAIC.

Just kept getting promoted or moved, eventually ending up at the Main Office in DC.

These are nothing more than criminals filling non-enumerated powers jobs in Federal agencies that would be repugnant to the Founders.

AG is supposed to be a part-time position advising Congress. They made it full-time for the post-Civil War lawsuits against the US Govt during Reconstruction, then expanded it over the years of progressivism/Marxism to balloon into a 115,000 employee albatross with 40 Divisions, including BATFE, FBI, DEA, Environment and Natural Resources, Criminal Division, etc.

It’s a cursed jobs program for politically-connected dirtbags and their wretched family and friends:

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Mexico's Lawsuit Against US Gun Manufacturers Moves Forward - LRRPF52 - 01-25-2024

A thing about traitors is that they never know what piece of the puzzle they are filling.

So when you look at the Biden WH border policy and see record-levels of violations, border crossings, terrorist watch list subjects, cartel assassins, Middle Easterners, Chinese, Africans, and who knows who else and with what diseases and criminal intents against the US, who’s to say this isn’t an orchestrated effort by our enemies?

The Soviets/Russians financed Biden’s and Obama’s Senate campaigns through Council For a Livable World, along with 420 other Senators, Congressmen, Governors, and Presidents who all successfully got elected.

China and Russia know painfully-well they can’t built and support a logistics chain of their own forces across the oceans to invade the US, so why not use cartels instead, coordinated with sleeper cells planted all over the US for the past 30+ years.

All with the help of the FBI, DOJ, and several White Houses on the take.

DOJ/FBI let Middle Eastern terrorist Advanced Force Operations personnel roam the US and select targets since no later than the 1980s, with Ali Mohamed being one the most notable violators.

You should listen to what General McChrystal has to say about Ali Mohamed some time.

Then came the Al Farouq Mosque blowback Afghans and Jihadis after the Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan. They started killing people already in the early 1990s, then did WTC 1993, and the rest is history.


Mexico's Lawsuit Against US Gun Manufacturers Moves Forward - jasper2408 - 01-25-2024

I would not be surprised if we found out that the Biden admin was giving Mexico the money to sue.

They need money to launder.


Mexico's Lawsuit Against US Gun Manufacturers Moves Forward - LRRPF52 - 01-25-2024

The Chinese do not like the fact that Mexico is the US’s largest trading partner.

Anything to cause friction between the US and Mexico is seen as a benefit to China, since Mexican labor is far more affordable than ChiCom labor now.

The Chinese Communist demons ran an infanticide program for 35 years in China, from 1980-2015, where babies were murdered in utero or post-birth, called One Child.

They cut their future labor pool out from under their own knees, and now those knees are old and wobbly.

Cheap ChiCom labor peaked in 2015, and has only gotten more expensive since then.


Mexico's Lawsuit Against US Gun Manufacturers Moves Forward - LRRPF52 - 01-25-2024

jasper2408 Wrote:I would not be surprised if we found out that the Biden admin was giving Mexico the money to sue.

They need money to launder.

The Obama and Biden White Houses have given billions to Iran, who in-turn fund Hezbollah.

Biden sent $1 Billion to the freaking PLO of all people.

Biden was all-in on Fast & Furious as part of the 4 big politicians of the Obama WH calling to cease the “Iron River of Guns” flowing from the US into Mexico. He, Eric Holder, Hillary, and Barry were all repeating this mantra before Fast & Furious blew up in their faces.


Mexico's Lawsuit Against US Gun Manufacturers Moves Forward - grayfox - 01-25-2024

As far as the Texas border and the southern invasion, it has all the trappings of Santa Anna's invasion in 1836... Remember also that S Anna was not Mexican, he was a Spaniard.
So too, all the foreign countries pouring in via the Rio Grande, actually not Mexican...
Biden has more likeness to Santa Anna than he does to a US President, and shares NOTHING with the likes of David Crockett, Sam Houston, Bowie, etc.

So again, like the Alinsky tactic of accusing your enemy of what you yourself are doing, we are to believe that Mexico (who themselves have armed, aided and abetted the cartels) says US companies are doing this??

You also have to ask yourself, what is Hunter's cut out of the $$$ they hope to get from the lawsuit.
"10% for the Big Guy..." probably applies here too.


Mexico's Lawsuit Against US Gun Manufacturers Moves Forward - Konocti's Wigwam - 01-25-2024

grendelnubi Wrote:What about the ATF arms trafficking?
Oh, that little fast and furious scheme that Barry/Brandon came up with.Rolleyes

That said, I have never been convinced that Barry is a U.S. Citizen. It doesn't matter though,
since I know I am.Big Grin


Mexico's Lawsuit Against US Gun Manufacturers Moves Forward - Konocti's Wigwam - 01-25-2024

LRRPF52 Wrote:The Obama and Biden White Houses have given billions to Iran, who in-turn fund Hezbollah.
Seems some people have already forgotten that Brandon gave $6B in cash just before the Gaza fiasco. That in itself should be a
reason to impeach him. At this point I'm fine waiting for the orange man to start probing into Brandon when he takes over again.

I pray a civil war doesn't break out over Brandon/Barry. Because if it does, it will be the bloodies war we have ever seen in America.