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Best buffer set up? - Wyrd - 01-10-2024
Hi guys,
for my first Grendel build I'm wondering about the best buffer set up. I've been reading quite a bit about buffers in here and it seems the opinions vary... some will absolutely only use a heavier H1 or H2 buffer, some a standard one. It also seems to depend on barrel length and suppressor use. I'll be using a 18" Faxon heavy fluted barrel with a mid length gas system and an adjustable gas block. The lower is a KE Arms KP15 that requires a carbine length buffer and spring. I am using the lower already with a .223 upper and would, though it won't happen very often, want to be able to switch between both. Currently there is a standard carbine spring and a standard 2.9oz buffer in there. I will run the Grendel exclusively suppressed (30cal can) hence the adjustable gas block. Now my question: is there anything to gain from using a heavier buffer or a jp silent capture spring with that set up? Or is that unnecessary with a properly gassed gun?
I appreciate all tips! Thanks!
Best buffer set up? - LRRPF52 - 01-10-2024
For me and suppressed use, I have used heavier springs with 2.9oz buffers, but on 12 Grendels.
Im also using Bootleg Adjustable Gas carriers, which I think in combination with the heavier spring are the real ticket.
This is assuming the barrel maker cut the ports to the correct/ideal sizes.
Even though Ive had suppressors for a long time, I have never suppressed an 18 MLGS anything, due to my opinion that 18 MLGS has a bit much in plug dwell length.
I have 3 18 MLGS Grendels, and I actually installed the Bootleg in my 17.6 Lilja just to regulate the cyclic rate unsuppressed.
If I was shooting 18 MLGS suppressed, I think I would want a flow-through can. I definitely would not have a can bore smaller than a .308 suppressor.
So of all the things you can do, I would get the Bootleg and an extra power action spring from Sprinco.
You will end up running the Bootleg on fully-suppressed most likely, shooting 120-130gr. Even with 90gr TNT Federal, I leave it on fully-suppressed position in the 12 guns. Runs like a raped ape.
Best buffer set up? - Wyrd - 01-11-2024
Thanks for your reply. I'm set on 18" because it's the shortest barrel length that can do 2000J at 100m, which is the legal requirement over here. 20" (and longer) gets annoyingly long with a suppressor in my opinion, especially in some of the hunting stands I use. Ever since it's been legal to use cans, I haven't looked back so I'm hoping to make it work in the Grendel. As I already own several 30 cal cans (and am using one on a 6.5 Creedmoor bolt gun), it makes sense to put one on the Grendel. So not flow-through per se but kinda.
The bootleg gas carrier is not an option here in Germany it seems, even Brownells doesn't carry one. A regular will have to do. The extra power action spring from Sprinco however I can get (the red one, right?). Would that make sense with my setup? Also considering I might switch uppers to a .223 at some point? Not that it would kill me to switch springs as well if necessary.
Best buffer set up? - Zeneffect - 01-11-2024
Wyrd Wrote:Thanks for your reply. I'm set on 18" because it's the shortest barrel length that can do 2000J at 100m, which is the legal requirement over here. 20" (and longer) gets annoyingly long with a suppressor in my opinion, especially in some of the hunting stands I use. Ever since it's been legal to use cans, I haven't looked back so I'm hoping to make it work in the Grendel. As I already own several 30 cal cans (and am using one on a 6.5 Creedmoor bolt gun), it makes sense to put one on the Grendel. So not flow-through per se but kinda.
The bootleg gas carrier is not an option here in Germany it seems, even Brownells doesn't carry one. A regular will have to do. The extra power action spring from Sprinco however I can get (the red one, right?). Would that make sense with my setup? Also considering I might switch uppers to a .223 at some point? Not that it would kill me to switch springs as well if necessary.
what about sharps? they ripped off the rca gas key system like 1:1. might be able to find this part from a EU vendor somewhere (or something that is basically the exact same thing.)
https://www.srcarms.com/SAGRS-adjustable-gas-key-retrofit-for-bcg?search=gas%20key
just throwing it out there so you get some ideas as there are a few ways to choke the gas and they all pretty much work.
looked on brownells europe... found the RCA key
https://www.brownells-deutschland.de/AR-15/M16-ADJUSTABLE-GAS-KEY-Adjustable-Gas-Key-RUBBER-CITY-ARMORY-100015575
Best buffer set up? - Wyrd - 01-11-2024
Not sagrs but Brownells has something made by rubber city armory. I'm wondering though, I have an adjustable gas block. Why would I need an adjustable gas key as well?
Best buffer set up? - Zeneffect - 01-11-2024
no. if you have an adjustable block, you dont need anything else. just use the adjustable block and thats it.
Best buffer set up? - Wyrd - 01-11-2024
Ok so in your experience just the adj gas block will suffice, no point in playing with special buffer weight, spring, etc? Not looking for a race gun where every 1% increase in performance is worth plenty of money and hassle, just want a well tuned and softly recoiling gun for hunting.
Best buffer set up? - Zeneffect - 01-11-2024
I'm saying you don't need to compound the restriction in the gas system. Your adjustable gas block is sufficient for choking the gas.
I'm only referring to gas system and not buffer weight or spring
Best buffer set up? - Wyrd - 01-13-2024
Ok, I get that. For me the question remains whether there is any point in using a heavier buffer if an adjustable gas block is used. Another option would be a captured, tunable spring and buffer system. The JP SCS seems to be regarded sometimes as a very expensive gimmick, sometimes as a real game changer. Not sure what to make of that myself and hesitating to drop 200 Euros (that's what it costs over here) on one to try it out.
Best buffer set up? - Happy2Shoot - 01-13-2024
I have that same barrel; it is nice. I hope you like yours. I have an adjustable gas block on mine and I only shoot suppressed. I have two 30 cal suppressors Sandman-S and a Nomad TI. Shooting unsuppressed is for savages, and the Sandman on the end of an 18" rifle is a heavy beast!
I use an H3 buffer. It makes me happy. I personally don't care for extra power springs, because all that extra power slams your BCG back into the chamber and you have to compress a spring quite a bit before you get any resistance. Other people like to do it other ways. It's basically a form of religious warfare to have an online discussion about buffers and springs (lol).
We just did a buffer question. Check out my post here.
http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?27098-Some-buffer-questions&p=311382&viewfull=1#post311382
Have you ever heard the phrase "only believe half of what you see and nothing you hear"? Well, I got that Lantac BCG for my 12.5" 5.56 pistol. Money down the drain! My previous setup was noticeably less gassy to my face. What was my original setup? Regular full auto BCG (all chrome) and a "HSS Tungsten Buffer - 6.5 ounces". People will say "Oh the recoil! All that weight bouncing around must beat your shoulder to death." Well, once again the proof is in the pudding. It works and there is so little recoil I can shoot follow up shots so fast I get accused of having a binary trigger when shooting drills at 25 yards.
Other benefits to a heavy buffer. You will never rip a rim off. If you reload your spent brass will be in better shape. When your rife gets completely gunked up from shooting suppressed, that extra mass will seat your next round every time.
Back to you. I would pick an H3 buffer.
Pro tip. Lube your BCG with "bar and chain oil" it stays around longer.
Best buffer set up? - montana - 01-13-2024
Happy2Shoot Wrote:It's basically a form of religious warfare to have an online discussion about buffers and springs (lol).
Heathen :o
Best buffer set up? - Zeneffect - 01-13-2024
My experience with the silent capture spring
Worth it if you want to experiment. Weights and springs are easily changed out.
Is it really silent? Meh... sort of. I still hear a twang when the bolt locks after last round.