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Understanding the insanity in the US today - montana - 05-13-2023

If a person is confused by the major shift in our world with western society, this is an important video to help people understand
https://www.ammoland.com/2023/05/right-to-keep-bear-arms-can-you-keep-it/#ixzz81WRMM2f6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szpq-T8Fw04

Understanding the insanity in the US today - CJW - 05-14-2023

Good read Montana, thanks.

Understanding the insanity in the US today - biodsl - 05-14-2023

I just want to make a point. From the article:

John Lott confirmed this, “It is very rare for permit holders to violate the law…Indeed, it is impossible to think of any other group in the US that is anywhere near as law-abiding.”

Similarly, in Canada, statistics also show that civilian firearms ownership is conducive to good citizenship. Licensed firearms owners rarely threaten public safety in Canada. They are unlikely to be murderers, much less likely than non-firearm owners.

This is true, but it's gun control trap. We need to fight any permit or licensing scheme they propose. They will (and do) make the argument that we need permits and licensing to 'know' that 'the right people' have the guns, all in the name of safety. You have to prove your worthiness prior to exercising your 2nd Amendment right. This is wrong thinking.

It's nice that we can say that permit holders and licensees are law abiding citizens, but we can't hang our right to keep arms on this. The 2A is not just for people who can pass a government litmus test.

Understanding the insanity in the US today - grayfox - 05-14-2023

Another point worth emphasizing, this whole notion that "gun ownership" makes dangerous communities, that somehow magically a gun can commit a crime.
It is the person holding the weapon - regardless if it is a ballbat, a knife, or a gun - that commits the crime and creates the problem.
The left has defined the terms of debate, [those terms of course which we rightfully reject], that the weapon is the problem. And therefore we need to regulate or prohibit (as gabby giffords admitted), guns of all sorts.
The left has created the whole problem by fomenting all the violence and releasing criminals, refusing to prosecute them (ala the Soros DA's), then try to pin all the blame on inanimate objects instead. Violence and chaos is their recipe for obtaining radicalized change. They don't respect, and I emphasize - they don't respect the Constitution. It is part of the problem standing in their way, so chip at it and destroy it, is one of their tactics.

Understanding the insanity in the US today - montana - 05-14-2023

grayfox Wrote:Another point worth emphasizing, this whole notion that "gun ownership" makes dangerous communities, that somehow magically a gun can commit a crime.
It is the person holding the weapon - regardless if it is a ballbat, a knife, or a gun - that commits the crime and creates the problem.
The left has defined the terms of debate, [those terms of course which we rightfully reject], that the weapon is the problem. And therefore we need to regulate or prohibit (as gabby giffords admitted), guns of all sorts.
The left has created the whole problem by fomenting all the violence and releasing criminals, refusing to prosecute them (ala the Soros DA's), then try to pin all the blame on inanimate objects instead. Violence and chaos is their recipe for obtaining radicalized change. They don't respect, and I emphasize - they don't respect the Constitution. It is part of the problem standing in their way, so chip at it and destroy it, is one of their tactics.

I think people make the mistake of trying to use logic when debating leftist.. It is impossible to have a debate with members in the cult of insanity..Reality is never an obstacle to them, only emotion and feelings..

Understanding the insanity in the US today - LRRPF52 - 05-15-2023

If the presence of firearms in a community equals high homicide rates, then the US would be #1 in the world, but you’ll skip past us on a list of all the nations ranked by homicide rates because we’re so far down that list.

Same for the States. The presence of firearms, “relaxed" vs oppressive State firearms laws, and partisan political leanings of the State’s population are not the main determining factors in homicide rates (though there is a very dominant trend in Democrat mayor-run cities having much higher problems with crime overall, including rape and homicides).

For example, poorer Maine has one of the lowest homicide rates in the Nation. California has very high rates, but not the highest.

The Deep South along the Mississippi and the Carolinas have a lot of high homicide rate counties for some reason.

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Look at the shades of red in Northern New Mexico, Eastern Arizona. Then look at the middle of nowhere in Wyoming and Montana, as well as Eastern UT.

When I first saw that map, I noted that “Nobody lives there, so how is it possible to have higher homicide rates in those counties?”

Turns out that somebody actually does live in all of those weird, remote counties with high homicide rates.

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Between the demographics in the lower Mississippi region, the Carolinas, and the Indian Reservations, you start to see the real causal factors of high homicide rates.

This is never pointed out in discussions about this topic at this level. It’s either a pro or against argument about Democrat vs Republican, tight 2A violations vs relaxed violations, rich vs poor, conservative vs leftist, or CCW laws.

If someone wants to talk about crime without addressing these blatant factors, and instead blames the people living in the most peaceful, lowest crime areas for owning means of protecting themselves, the conversation is in the wrong place.

Understanding the insanity in the US today - Old Bob - 05-15-2023

I can affirm there is a homicide problem in the areas of New Mexico as shown in the first map. Actually, as I write this, an active shooter situation in the 4-corners city of Farmington, NM has just ended. Three civilians are dead & 2 law enforcement officers were wounded. The suspect has been killed by LE. Here in Albuquerque, there have been three deaths over the weekend from gunfire. It's awful here. If the scum bag druggies were just killing themselves, I wouldn't care much - good riddance. But it seems too many innocent bystanders are being caught up in the carnage. We broke a homicide record last year & we are on pace to break it again this year. Yes, we do have a democrat mayor (never met a camera he didn't like). The city council has a democrat majority as well. Ya never know what kind of cock-a-may-me city ordinance they'll hatch in their pea-brains.

Oh well ... I'll just keep my .38 handy & hope I never have to use it.

Understanding the insanity in the US today - LRRPF52 - 05-16-2023

Yeah, that was weird.

I’ve heard all these claims from various groups about what the causal factors are, while none of them seem to look at these maps or statistics that contradict their premises.

The gun grabbers say how well gun control works in Massachusetts, New Jersey, and Connecticut, while ignoring CA (high gun control, high violent crime and homicide rates), and all the States with relaxed 2A violations that have very low violent crime rates (Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Wyoming, Idaho, Kentucky, Utah).

What stuck out to me though was that many States with less restrictive access to firearms also have high homicide and violent crime rates. What are the differences between those States and ones that also have relaxed restrictions, but very low rates of violence?

The poverty pimps claim poverty, but that can’t be true because Maine, Kentucky, and Wyoming are all well below the National Median Household Income. So if it isn’t poverty, what’s the next variable to look at?

When I lived in North Carolina, I experienced 2 attempted car-jackings that ended very quickly when the perpetrators realized I had a stainless 1911 and big smile on my face. My home was burglarized when I was gone. I also was involved in a store robbery that I stopped. In Virginia (DC area), we had a home intruder in our apartment.

Those counties I lived in are in the darker shades of red on that map, so all my anecdotes with that type of crime coincidentally match up with the map.

Here in Utah, no matter what neighborhood I’ve lived in, we get bombarded with home-made treats for the holidays, then have to keep a list of all the families that left something for us so we can reciprocate. There’s an entirely different sense of community that used to be quite common when I was growing up in several different States and cities, but sadly is not so common anymore.

A lot of it has to do with people not having as many kids and not regularly gathering in church in their local neighborhoods.

For the high crime counties, fathers have been imprisoned and replaced with government welfare, destroying the family units in those places as a matter of policy, while kids look for male leadership in gangs.

Therefore, your right to keep and bear arms must be taken away, for the children. Don’t question it, you hateful person clinging to your guns and religion.

Understanding the insanity in the US today - Sinclair - 05-16-2023

LRRPF52:
Thumbs up to your ideas. When we started to kick God and the Ten Commandments out of our daily lives we started down a slippery slope to where we are today. Prior to the introduction of welfare in the early 50's, a Black married couple were several times less likely to get a divorce than a similar White couple. When I was growing up in deep southern Illinois (Copperhead territory), people looked out for each other. I remember a traveling salesman stopped at our house one day when my Father was not home and he just would not leave. After awhile a neighbor, a very large redneck man in bib overalls, stopped by in the pretense of borrowing some tools. The salesman left post haste. I wonder if the double barreled shotgun hung over the neighbor's arm and a Black and Tan Coon Hound at his side might have been a factor? The original Community Watch!

Understanding the insanity in the US today - cory - 05-16-2023

Drugs are a cancer on a society. Welfare is the chemotherapy. it will likely save your society if used at the appropriate time in the appropriate doses. It will destroy your society if used for to long and/or to high of a dose.

Understanding the insanity in the US today - LRRPF52 - 05-17-2023

Another set of statistics that kinda throws cold water on the doom and gloom are these:

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But public perception is that things are always getting worse, even though the data shows very demonstrably that violent crimes, murder, manslaughter, rape, and property crimes seem to be in decline. The proliferation of firearms and CCW laws seem to coincide with this reduction in more heinous crimes, while places that don’t allow CCW to common folk suffer greater incidents of violence.

What if the only "safe spaces for criminals" to commit these acts are away from all the relaxed gun law States and cities? Seems like I’ve heard that somewhere before.