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Wolf 100 Grain Ammo Costs - Fodderwing - 03-08-2022 Still some Wolf 100 on Ammoseek for 70 cents plus shipping. Target sports has some for 72 cents shipped plus my state sales tax. SG Ammo is up to 94 cents shipped plus tax for a 500 round "case". $1.00 per round by the box +S&T. Wolf 100 Grain Ammo Costs - Happy2Shoot - 03-08-2022 Wolf 100 Grain Ammo Costs - Constitutionalist - 03-09-2022 Happy2Shoot Wrote: Exactly. Wolf 100 Grain Ammo Costs - ported45 - 03-09-2022 Constitutionalist Wrote:Exactly. If it is already here, they have unfortunately already been paid. Wolf 100 Grain Ammo Costs - Velocity - 03-11-2022 There's some devious thoughts going through Putin's mind in that photo, I don't think the little guy on the left is going to make it... Wolf 100 Grain Ammo Costs - LRRPF52 - 03-12-2022 Lets keep it technical gents. Wolf 100 Grain Ammo Costs - Double Naught Spy - 03-12-2022 Fodderwing Wrote:Still some Wolf 100 on Ammoseek for 70 cents plus shipping. So what you are saying is that in this time of skyrocketing factory ammo prices and dwindling Wolf presence in the market, that Wolf ammo is still the least expensive factory ammo currently available today, although as in the past, not all vendors are selling it for a uniform price, just as not all vendors are selling Hornady Black at a uniform price. Wolf 100 Grain Ammo Costs - Fodderwing - 03-12-2022 Double Naught Spy Wrote:So what you are saying is that in this time of skyrocketing factory ammo prices and dwindling Wolf presence in the market, that Wolf ammo is still the least expensive factory ammo currently available today, although as in the past, not all vendors are selling it for a uniform price, just as not all vendors are selling Hornady Black at a uniform price. Wolf prices have started to ratchet up due to the invasion of Ukraine, sanctions, etc. Rumor is the sanctioning of Russian banks means the only Tula or Wolf coming in is that which has been paid for prior to the conflict. The original Russian ammo sanctions did not halt previously approved import permits, just would not allow any new permits while the sanctions lasted. Cutting off the bank of Russia makes impossible to purchase ammo on existing import permits of Russian ammo. Wolf 100 Grain Ammo Costs - Fodderwing - 03-13-2022 Wolf ammo cost is rising at a faster rate now due the Ukraine fiasco, sanctions, etc. Rumor has it that if the ammo has not already been paid for, the existing import permit is effectively cancelled by the sanctions placed on the bank of Russia. Prior to Putin sending troops in, Biden's crew imposed sanctions of future ammo imports, but approved permits could continue. Sanctioning the banks in Russia, shutdown active import permits. No Tula or Wolf of any f!avor being loaded on container ships now. Wolf 100 Grain Ammo Costs - MikaS - 03-15-2022 Hi from big border near to Russia=Finland. Now take many years when Wolf or Barnaul ammunition coming back in market. I wondering, why shoot wolf, I dont want put steel in my fine Grendel. Also I want to hit good any rounds, also bulk ammunition. Do you support to enemy, yes russians are usually also enemy to yours. Yours are lucky, you can buy american made ammunition. We have only ours Lapua's made cases and can order starline/hornady cases. PPU made cartridges but here is difficult buy land to land in Europe. Now market in here is similar like there, no primers, every Vihtavuori variants are difficult find, cheap 223rem, 7.62x39 and 9mm rounds are sold out. We have good army, but we prepare and mostly man have military education. Slava ukraini Wolf 100 Grain Ammo Costs - Fodderwing - 03-15-2022 Thank you for sharing your perspective. Since the USSR broke up, I viewed Russia more as a rival than an enemy. The USA has a long history of buying both luxuries and necessities from countries that don't really like us, look at all of the oil purchased from OPEC. So, if I am forced to buy foreign petroleum, I see no problem buying ammo from the same category of suppliers. When the USA decides to use only domestically sourced petroleum, I will purchase only USA made ammo. I do not own what I would consider a fine Grendel rifle. I bought the lowest priced BCA upper available at the time and have no concern about shooting steel ammo. I also own a Howa 1500 Grendel, but I do not consider Howa to be a top end firearm. My early results with Wolf ammo is that it will shoot accurate enough for my needs, paper and steel targets, an occasional feral pig. Hornady makes steel case 7.62x39 ammo with 123 grain SST bullets that I use in my CZ 527 carbine to deer hunt with, it is very accurate in my rifle. My philosophy is I will not own a gun incapable of performing with steel cased ammo. I really like PPU ammo, and buy it when available. I have a decent stock of steel 9mm, .223 and 7.62x39 purchased before the politicians used the Coronavirus to shut us down. Wolf 100 Grain Ammo Costs - lazyengineer - 03-16-2022 Fodderwing Wrote:Thank you for sharing your perspective. I think this is a good reply and sums up my own thoughts. I really hadn't viewed Russia as the same level of serious potential "enemy", until basically now. One reason Wolf Steel is so cheap, isn't just the materials, but also it's the old-school philosophy of state-run arsenals need to be large, and exercised. So the cost of Wolf Steel is in some ways subsidized in that oversized economy-of-scale facilities for war-time production, that need to be exercised. A concept many Western Arsenals have walked away from, resulting in more expensive less efficient military production, and more expensive civilian ammunition supply. (But then, in the last decade or so, most Western Nations have decided money is just digital symbols and doesn't actually matter anymore - and is infinite in supply.) At the time, I was OK with buying this from Russia, since I viewed Russia as a Eastern European country that had issues to be sure, but one that was on the path of moving farther away from their more evil Soviet days, and financial support can only help that go even better. Today? Less so; basically they are reforming the Soviet Union right now. Right now, if I had opportunity to buy new Wolf Steel, with funds that will eventually end up in Soviet Union-2022; I would have some pause. I guess I was the naïve one and the Finland guy was the wiser one - I have to admit. (And welcome btw, glad to have you, and your perspectives sir!) In my defense, I was buying it when the US had a President who shepherded the greatest times in US History, and who had a strong relationship with Russia that had stopped invasion activities. It did not occur to me that the VP from the prior administration; who had been the ones Russia saw fit to invade Ukraine and Georgia in the past under, would win the election. Again, I wasn't as wise apparently, as I thought I was. At this point, any Russian Steel (or any other Russian products you may have), were mostly paid for under the competent Trump/Russia relations and containment. Today, there will be no more Wolf Steel in our lifetimes (just like NORINCO). The advantage of Wolf Steel, singularly, was how dirt cheap it was. So dirt cheap, that its poor accuracy and poor terminal performance was perfectly acceptable. Today, at approaching $1/shot, it's just not there any more. Yes, that's still cheaper than brass ammo at $2/shot. But the entire mission is now lost. The point is to shoot your AR15 for cheap, because that's all the Wolf Steel was good for. Wolf Steel let you shoot your high performance 6.5 Grendel round in an AR15 for cheap, as a plinker. Now that it's $1/shot; forget it - just run a 5.56 upper and run brass .223, for cheap plinking. There's little reason or logic to paying premium price for dirty cheap low accuracy (in most guns), and poor terminal ballistic performance Wolf Steel ammo. The bummer, is the loss of cheap Wolf Steel, undermines the "one gun for ALL applications", that a 6.5 Grendel was. Because for a time, you could throw away all your other rifles, and just run a basic 6.5 Grendel, as your 3-gun, home defense, plinker, Hunting, Precision, long range, hunting rifle. And pick your ammo accordingly. The 3-gun/plinker roll was where the Wolf Steel made that happen, and now that's permanently gone - which is too bad. The good news, is if you're a reloader, those days will eventually come back. If you are not, then the $500/case of Wolf steel current delivered price (ish), is about the same as a cheap 5.56 upper and 500 rounds of cheap 5.56 ammo. And then gets much cheaper after that. Some liberties with that cost-comparison, but not a lot. Wolf 100 Grain Ammo Costs - plamia2 - 03-29-2022 Only two cents from Russia )) if you're interested. 1. Your president blocked Wolf purchases long before the Ukrainian war. 2. According to rumors from an employee of the Barnaul Cartridge Plant, their warehouses of finished products are so full of completed American orders that they put part of the lines for repair and maintenance, just so as not to waste time. Now the plant simply has nowhere to unload ready-made cartridges - the warehouses are packed beyond capacity. 3. The plant has already received money for all the cartridges made for the USA. 4. Now your buyers are solving the issue of exporting finished cartridges to the United States, Russia has not yet imposed any embargo on them. 5. We almost agreed to take it to the USA through Finland via the railway and further by sea, but the Finnish government blocked this scheme)))). I dont know how everything will end, but due to the downtime of the Barnaul plant, we also had a shortage of cartridges in Russia - it was this plant that provided cheap mass cartridges for hunting and recreational shooting. ps a good Nazi is a dead Nazi. |