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Wolf Steel - at 500 yards - lazyengineer - 02-22-2022
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This round gets beat up on a lot. But in a barrel that likes it, it can shoot just fine for $0.27/round ammo.
Note I called Shot #8 as a low shot. And probably should have come up a couple clicks, and it would have darned near cleaned it.
20" Alexander Arms 1/9 twist HBAR off a bipod.
Wolf Steel - at 500 yards - lazyengineer - 02-22-2022
I suspect (but haven't verified at all), that Alexander knows the Wolf Steel is 0.262 dia, since he helped develop it. And so does something with his own barrels to still work with that (maybe extra tall lands?).
Wolf Steel - at 500 yards - tdbru - 02-22-2022
LE,
what were the range conditions like? i see more vertical spread (higher ES/SD) than horizontal (wind). when I occasionally shoot with the f-classers at mid range, which for them is 600 yards, i get coached that what they want to see for inexperienced shooters (me) with handloads is a horizontal dispersion (water table?). If the ES/SD is low, like they recommend for long distance shooting, one will get less vertical dispersion at distance. L/R dispersion is due to my inexperience with reading and compensating for variable wind conditions. If i end up with L/R dispersion, I can get some wind coaching. If I have a lot of vertical, they tell me go back to the drawing board wrt my reloads. Large ES/SD really shows up at distance. These guys keep tweaking loads until their SDs are single digits. Like 5 or so. I'm not there yet. My SDs are not consistently in the single digits. once in a while. I still haven't pinpointed what is varying to give me SDs in the low teens more often. however there are a lot of variables to consider when working to get SDs in the single digits. And not only does it have to have low SD, it also has to group well. due to barrel harmonics and such the two conditions don't always arrive together.
Still, you shot the rig/ammo pretty well LE. Congrats. well done.
is that the F-Class mid range, with the 1/2 MOA X ring or is that the standard NRA high power iron sight X ring of 1 MOA ?
again, congrats!!
-tdbru
Wolf Steel - at 500 yards - Fodderwing - 02-22-2022
I would be happy with results any day of the week, twice on Sundays.
Wolf Steel - at 500 yards - Fess - 02-22-2022
I have a vague recollection that Bill Alexander once said that the Russian ammo liked "deep, sharp, European-style" rifling. I noticed that the rifling in my Russian Saiga 7.62x39 was relatively thin and deep, FWIW. The groove to land ratio looked like 70/30.
Wolf Steel - at 500 yards - biodsl - 02-22-2022
Imagine my surprise when my Black Hole Weaponry with its polygonal rifling shoots Wolf SC at 2 moa at 100 yards. The best my AA ultralight can do is 4.
Wolf Steel - at 500 yards - LRRPF52 - 02-22-2022
lazyengineer Wrote:I suspect (but haven't verified at all), that Alexander knows the Wolf Steel is 0.262 dia, since he helped develop it. And so does something with his own barrels to still work with that (maybe extra tall lands?).
AA was using Enfield rifling from the start on most of the barrels.
5R rifling is the hardest to get the steel case to shoot, since there isnt as positive land engagement like with Enfield rifling.
Wolf Steel - at 500 yards - SDW - 02-22-2022
From what I understand, vertical spread can also be from an improperly used rest. Anyone else heard of that? Apparently, if shooting prone, laying on a mat is counter productive. And/or inconsistent stock-to-shoulder engagement. Anyone else hear that? I read it in here a while back:
https://www.longrangeonly.com/forum/threads/vertical-stringing-caused-by-technique.1675/
And within that thread is a link to this page:
https://www.6mmbr.com/verticaltips.html
Wolf Steel - at 500 yards - lazyengineer - 02-24-2022
Thanks for the inputs. FWIW, The one dropped round, I called as a low shot. Remove that one low shot, and there's pretty much no vertical spread greater than horizontal/group size.
For cheap Wolf Steel I was just playing around with, I find these results pretty astounding, personally!
Wolf Steel - at 500 yards - justinspicher - 02-25-2022
I was impressed with the wolf ammo I was given. I shot it with consistent results on steel between 100-450yds, from a bipod off the hood of my tacoma.
Wolf Steel - at 500 yards - TomSawyerNW - 02-28-2022
My experience with the Wolf Steel has been very good, 200-300 yards. Anyone have any for about $0.20/round they don't like?
Call me!
Wolf Steel - at 500 yards - Double Naught Spy - 02-28-2022
Quote:But in a barrel that likes it, it can shoot just fine...
A statement that could be said for just about any ammo, of course. Problem is that for Wolf, a lot of barrels don't seem to like it, no doubt in part because it is a tad undersized as you note.
If if works for you and your gun/barrel, OUTSTANDING!
Wolf Steel - at 500 yards - LRRPF52 - 03-05-2022
Ive had several people contact me offline to show me groups they have shot with Wolf Grendel that they were hesitant to post online, because they were so accurate.
It has always been either a really high-end barrel or Enfield-rifled barrels.
Wolf Steel - at 500 yards - Fess - 03-06-2022
Double Naught Spy Wrote:A statement that could be said for just about any ammo, of course. Problem is that for Wolf, a lot of barrels don't seem to like it, no doubt in part because it is a tad undersized as you note.
If if works for you and your gun/barrel, OUTSTANDING!
I wonder if he would find that he has a batch with bullets that are slightly larger than typical for Wolf. One reason to start with undersized dies is to allow a longer time before the formed components become oversized. As the dies wear, the bullets could eventually get to normal 6.5 diameters. I don't think that we ever found out what the production tolerances are for the bullet.
Wolf Steel - at 500 yards - Big_John - 03-06-2022
Good to see...... have a bunch of this ammo and pleased it performs....
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