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Solid Scope for Hog Hunting - Spool - 07-23-2020
Hey all, as I am awaiting my LaRue UU to come in I've been looking for scopes that will do me well for hog & deer out to about 300 yards with low light conditions (dusk/dawn).
I have had my eye on the SWFA SS HD 1-4 & 1-6 illuminated options, as well as a Viper PST 1-6, though I would prefer MIL over MOA.
Price range wise looking somewhere in the $500 range, but am able to flex up a bit if it will get me a fair improvement, it's a hunting rifle so I don't plan on babying it and a $2,000 scope would make me do so.
Curious what people are using out in the field that they like.
Solid Scope for Hog Hunting - mdram - 07-23-2020
did you post this on reddit?
i gave a reply there
Solid Scope for Hog Hunting - Spool - 07-23-2020
mdram Wrote:did you post this on reddit?
i gave a reply there
That I did, was not sure which had more traffic, I appreciate it
Solid Scope for Hog Hunting - A5BLASTER - 07-23-2020
I love my viper pst gen 2 1-6 power for 300 and closer hunting and banging steel out too 600 yards.
Have a extra one and mount I'm selling if your interested.
Solid Scope for Hog Hunting - wreckster84 - 07-23-2020
I have a general question about hunting with 1-4, 1-6, or similar scopes. The rule of thumb for light transmission for all optics is the larger the objective/magnification ratio, the more light you get. These lower power scopes have such small objective lens, how can they work well in low light?
Solid Scope for Hog Hunting - A5BLASTER - 07-23-2020
wreckster84 Wrote:I have a general question about hunting with 1-4, 1-6, or similar scopes. The rule of thumb for light transmission for all optics is the larger the objective/magnification ratio, the more light you get. These lower power scopes have such small objective lens, how can they work well in low light?
Better glass.
The 1-6 I have are surprisingly bright at last light and I can easly pick out a hogs ear under a feeder light from 50 yards.
Only thing I can think of is the better glass being used in scopes these days.
Solid Scope for Hog Hunting - Spool - 07-23-2020
wreckster84 Wrote:I have a general question about hunting with 1-4, 1-6, or similar scopes. The rule of thumb for light transmission for all optics is the larger the objective/magnification ratio, the more light you get. These lower power scopes have such small objective lens, how can they work well in low light?
Also to add.
Increasing magnification decreases light, lower mags don't need as much light as a high mag
So the question ends up being what is good enough for your application from a size / weight basis / light / mag basis.
Solid Scope for Hog Hunting - FLshooter - 07-23-2020
I have 1-6X24 Vortex scopes.Razor,Viper and strike Eagle on different budget AR15s.The Razors Japanese class is noticbly better than the Viper and Strikes Eagles Chinese glass. But, Since the price of the razor is twice as much as the other two combined, it would be expected.
I use my 1-6x24 scopes for hog hunting out to 150 yrds,And ringing 200 yrd gun club steel.
If I had to do it all over again, I wouldnt spend $1300 on the Viper. I would get a strike Eagle or a Viper.The Viper is slightly clearer(not $300 clearer),the zoom dial is much easier to turn on the Viper and the eye relief is slightly better.But the strike eagle has a larger field of view and is noticeably lighter.A couple of minor things I dont like about the strike eagle is that the illuminated reticle doe not have an auto shut off and the zoom dial is hard to move without purchasing a lever.
So, it really depends on your budget and what you plan to do with the rifle.IMO,all three models will do the same job well.My strike eagle sits on an 8 300 blackout.My #1 go to hog rifle, because its so light.
Solid Scope for Hog Hunting - Klem - 07-23-2020
Spool,
You may as well get technical and figure out the exit pupil if talking about how objectives and magnifications influence light transmission. Exit pupils are the cone of light able to exit the optic and into your eyes. It's calculated by the objective diameter divided by the magnification.
I have a 1-4*24 PST which is a light, compact short-range scope. At max magnification the exit pupil is 4mm (24/4 = 6mm). The pupil of a human eye is roughly 4.5mm during daylight and dilates to 7mm at night. At max magnification you are getting 6mm of light through the scope; great for daylight and pretty good for night, but 4x is not a huge magnification. At close range this is not an issue however. Your eyes can take and want more light at night. A larger scope has the potential to exit more light so you can have higher magnifications but still see well at night. A compact NF 2.5-10*42 on 6x has a 7mm exit pupil...perfect for both day and night shooting. If you crank it up to 10x its not so good for night shooting but perfect for daylight shooting.
The more you crank it up the less field of view so it's a bunch of trade-offs.
The quality of glass is also a factor in light transmission.
Solid Scope for Hog Hunting - drewthebrave - 07-23-2020
I replied on Reddit as well. I think you'd do well with A5BLASTER's Viper 1-6x for sale in the classifieds here. Sounds like exactly what you're looking for. I prefer 9-10x on the high end, but the Viper is a very good scope if you want 1x on the low end.
A5BLASTER Wrote:I love my viper pst gen 2 1-6 power for 300 and closer hunting and banging steel out too 600 yards.
Have a extra one and mount I'm selling if your interested.
Solid Scope for Hog Hunting - PVBoom - 08-04-2020
I think you can do a little bit better with a 56mm Objective scope. Any thing smaller and you are leaving better performance on the table.
If you didn't want mil/mil I think you should be looking at the Trijicon AccuPoint 2.5-10X56, which is widely regarded as one of the best low light scopes.
At closer distances you would probably be fine with the triangle post, but their MOA dot otherwise.
https://www.sportoptics.com/trijicon-accupoint-tr22-2g.aspx
So for mil/mil I think you should consider the Trijicon AccuPower 2.5-10X56 MIL-SQUARE CROSSHAIR W/GREEN LED
https://www.sportoptics.com/trijicon-accupower-1900017.aspx
The specs on those show the exit pupil at 15.3 - 5.6mm (AccuPoint) or 15.6 - 5.6mm (AccuPower)