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Another ELD-M victim - gwtx - 05-05-2020
Found a sounder of about 15 - 20 hogs last night. They were in the open, night was bright, so I could only get to 160yds from them without spooking them. There were a lot of deer that were getting spooky and had the hogs on the alert. No tree or fence post to lean on, so knelt, hoped and shot. Pig went down and stayed down. Tried to get the range on a runner, but wasted 4 rounds, and he got too close to the cows to shoot anymore.
123gr eld at MV 2535fps hit left shoulder, broke it, exited right shoulder, and broke it. I went back to the house to get my camera, and when I came back 10-15 minutes later, she sat up. From the way she went down, I thought she was DRT, but no, she was still breathing and sitting upright, she just couldn't get up. So, I shot her in the head, and took my picture and went home and hit the sack. It appeared she was lactating, and looked pregnant, don't know for sure, but maybe I got rid of more than one.
Apparently the eld didn't expand to create enough shock to stop the heart. There was blood from the mouth, so the lungs were damaged. No doubt the eld's will kill if placed right,,,but I think I'll go back to the SST's when I use up the few eld's I have left. I have a couple hundred of the Honady BTHP's which look like the ELD, without a plastic tip. They probably perform like the ELD as well.??
I'm also going to give the Gold Dot 120's a try. I shot a good 3 round group with them loaded with 28.0gr H335, running 2502fps.
Another ELD-M victim - sundowner - 05-05-2020
Good job , more than likely you got more than one .
Another ELD-M victim - CJW - 05-05-2020
Nice job & report.
Another ELD-M victim - Double Naught Spy - 05-05-2020
To paraphrase McCoy, "It's dead, Jim."
I wasn't real happy with ELD 123s on hogs, either. I didn't think they performed consistently. Some 'blew up' and fragmented and did a nice job and some seemed to stay together sort of like what you describe, although the performance you got sounds good. I know some folks love them, but they are not my first choice by any stretch.
Checking the blink reflex on hogs is a great way determine whether they are really dead or not. I like to approach from the back or the side and first see if I can see them breathing or not and if not, move around to the head and touch the muzzle of my rifle to the eye. If the hog blinks, it gets shot. If not, GTG.
Another ELD-M victim - gwtx - 05-06-2020
Thanks for the replies. Good point DNS. Most of the time I go get my camera, and when I get back to the hog, I don't get off the 4 wheeler until checking the eyes, then get off and kick'em whilst having the muzzle pointed at their head.
I've been shredding/mowing a pasture and after beating myself and my equipment to death, I have a re-newed to kill as many hogs as I can. Getting ready to go out now and see if I can find some. Gary
Another ELD-M victim - Double Naught Spy - 05-06-2020
LOL, I know what you mean. I twisted an ankle last night, stepping in a hog rut I didn't see.
Another ELD-M victim - Jerikeaux - 05-06-2020
Great shot, Ive been very happy with the Hornady SST rounds so far. Got my grendel last november and Ive taken down 13 pigs, 1 spike and 2 coyotes all drt. I did lose one big boar that walked off after lying motionless for a good 10 minutes. Guess you cant win them all
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Another ELD-M victim - gwtx - 05-07-2020
Double Naught Spy Wrote:LOL, I know what you mean. I twisted an ankle last night, stepping in a hog rut I didn't see.
Sorry to hear that. How bad is the ankle? I sure hope it's not going to keep you from putting out those great videos
Another ELD-M victim - Double Naught Spy - 05-07-2020
Not bad and not unusual. I am flat footed and prone to have this happen when on uneven ground. I guess it is what they call a strain, versus being a sprain. This time, it was definitely hog-related, LOL.
Another ELD-M victim - gwtx - 05-07-2020
That's good news. I just got in from checking the pastures. No pigs, one coyote, gnawing on an old carcass. Did something I don't normally do, shooting prone. Lucky I was able to get up
, but I got him. Normally too many thorns etc to lay down. It was like daylight with the big moon, and he spotted me right away, but didn't leave. We have had a lot of yotes this year. I'll post pic tomorrow, I could not fine the entrance wound, but the exit was pretty impressive, 123gr ELD.
Another ELD-M victim - Double Naught Spy - 05-07-2020
When you need/want to find an entry or exit wound, roll the animal over to where the impact side is down and then stand on the carcass. That will help put pressure on the circulatory system and force some blood out of the wound (usually). For a coyote, standing may be a little much, but stepping down on the carcass with 1 foot may do it. We stand on top of hogs to find wounds and sometimes have to do it more than once.
Another ELD-M victim - Arkhangel5 - 05-07-2020
Great story GWTx.
You always learn something new from DNS.
SY
Another ELD-M victim - gwtx - 05-07-2020
Double Naught Spy Wrote:When you need/want to find an entry or exit wound, roll the animal over to where the impact side is down and then stand on the carcass. That will help put pressure on the circulatory system and force some blood out of the wound (usually). For a coyote, standing may be a little much, but stepping down on the carcass with 1 foot may do it. We stand on top of hogs to find wounds and sometimes have to do it more than once.Thanks for the tip. I mashed around on him with my hand, combed the fur back and forth etc, maybe didn't put enough pressure on him. The exit wound corresponds with my point of aim, and I saw the "juice" fly out the other side of him, so I'm sure there's a hole there somewhere. Take care of that ankle,,,(like my dad used to say,,,WATCH WHERE YOU'RE GOING!)
I added pics to post #10
Another ELD-M victim - gwtx - 05-07-2020
Arkhangel5 Wrote:Great story GWTx.
You always learn something new from DNS.
SY
You're sure right there. I've learned a LOT from him and this forum.
Another ELD-M victim - sundowner - 05-07-2020
Congrats on the Yote .
Another ELD-M victim - 1Shot - 05-07-2020
The ELD-M sounds like it reacts like the Sierra Match Kings 30 cal. 150 and 168 gr that I tried for a while on deer back when I was doing crop damage control. Some times they came apart and killed like the Berger VLD with big exits and other times they went through like a FMJ.
I think you will like the Speer Gold Dot.
Another ELD-M victim - gwtx - 05-08-2020
1Shot Wrote:The ELD-M sounds like it reacts like the Sierra Match Kings 30 cal. 150 and 168 gr that I tried for a while on deer back when I was doing crop damage control. Some times they came apart and killed like the Berger VLD with big exits and other times they went through like a FMJ.
I think you will like the Speer Gold Dot.
I think DNS had the same to say about the ELD-M. That's ok if I can get situated/steady enough to "pierce" their ear
, but for follow up shots on the runners I need more/better terminal performance. Haven't found the sweet spot for the GD's in my rifle yet, but getting close. Thanks for the input.
Another ELD-M victim - gwtx - 05-08-2020
sundowner Wrote:Congrats on the Yote .
Thanks for the reply.
Another ELD-M victim - 1Shot - 05-08-2020
One thing about the 120 Gold Dot that I discovered in my case is that Speers load data for it is WAY TOO conservative. I am using IMR 8208 and a bit more than what Speer list as max and I load at a COAL longer. The COAL is too long to work through Elander mags but works fine through ASC/ArStoner mags. In MY 20" BCA barrel which the 120 GD is dedicated as THE hunting bullet I get average 2550 fps with sub MOA accuracy.
Another ELD-M victim - gwtx - 05-09-2020
1Shot Wrote:One thing about the 120 Gold Dot that I discovered in my case is that Speers load data for it is WAY TOO conservative. I am using IMR 8208 and a bit more than what Speer list as max and I load at a COAL longer. The COAL is too long to work through Elander mags but works fine through ASC/ArStoner mags. In MY 20" BCA barrel which the 120 GD is dedicated as THE hunting bullet I get average 2550 fps with sub MOA accuracy.
Thanks 1Shot. I have done a little work with them(GD 120's) as time and weather allows. I'm using H335 because ArComp was scarce around here, and I use it for my dedicated hunting loads(123 SST). I thought maybe the H335 would be a little bit more available,,,doesn't look that way now.
So, yeah the speer data is on the conservative/liability end of the spectrum. At 28.0 (H335) my 18" bbl got 2502fps on the one round I chrono'd. The group was not real good. Everything else looks ok. I'll do some more work and see what happens. It looks like the MagnetoSpeed has a significant effect on my POI, so I need to chrono a few rounds without attention to group size and see what I can find. So far, this rifle shoots 3 different 123gr bullets to very nearly the same poi, no need to adjust, and all are running 2535 to 2550fps. Thanks again for the info.