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First 6.5 Grendel PSA or Sanders Armory? - pkw6five - 02-14-2020
I would like to get a 6.5 Grendel. My only experience with 6.5 Grendel is the
PPT article "5 Best 6.5 Grendel Uppers". I am thinking about the PSA or the
Sanders Armory.
For $400 to 500 who would you buy?
First 6.5 Grendel PSA or Sanders Armory? - A5BLASTER - 02-14-2020
I see and hear good things about the PSA.
So out of the two I would suggest them.
If it were me I would buy a barrel in the 350 to 450 range and build it myself.
First 6.5 Grendel PSA or Sanders Armory? - Bigs28 - 02-14-2020
To answer your question, i know nothing about Sanders armory but have always had good experiences with palmetto state armory so i would be confident buying from them. Just understand that you get what you pay for. A $400 upper will function but don't complain if it's not sub moa.
First 6.5 Grendel PSA or Sanders Armory? - Bubbacop - 02-14-2020
I was in the same boat never owned a Grendel. I read an article on line and found Atheris rifle company. I bought the arc15 T2 for $550 and couldn’t be happier. Cheap factory ammo gets under one inch @100 yards my handloads are getting .5 to .7 consistently.
The only down side was the three week wait.
First 6.5 Grendel PSA or Sanders Armory? - Sackett - 02-14-2020
I built my first Grendel a few months ago and used a PSA assembled upper. Just shot it last weekend for the first time and it shot well. Still getting dialed but I feel I got what I paid for and more. Take that for what it's worth.
First 6.5 Grendel PSA or Sanders Armory? - pkw6five - 02-14-2020
Several friends own PSA 5.56 and one has a .308. For the $ I think they got a good firearm.
If the Grendel does not shoot as good as I would like I can always stick a new barrel on it.
First 6.5 Grendel PSA or Sanders Armory? - Jimla - 02-14-2020
pkw6five Wrote:I would like to get a 6.5 Grendel. My only experience with 6.5 Grendel is the
PPT article "5 Best 6.5 Grendel Uppers". I am thinking about the PSA or the
Sanders Armory.
For $400 to 500 who would you buy?
I studied the same article when I gave up getting a cheap low quality upper to work, everyone on this website know the brand.
I was convinced after careful study individual's reports on this website to go with PSA model, but when I went to buy, it was sold out for a long time.
I found another hunting upper with a quality lightweight Faxon Match 20" barrel(over 1/2 lb lighter than the PSA), that shoots 1/3 MOA.
Range report:
http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?19765-AT3-FF-ML-20-Inch-Faxon-6-5-Grendel-Upper-Range-Result&highlight=jimla
The PSA model recommended to me by another form member, tried to buy. $349.99 (good value for typical 1 MOA gun)
https://palmettostatearmory.com/catalog/product/view/id/33781/s/psa-20-rifle-length-6-5-grendel-1-8-stainless-steel-15-m-lok-upper-with-bcg-ch/
Quality lightweight Faxon Match 20" barrel in my range results $575.99 (worth it for a 1/3 MOA gun)
https://www.at3tactical.com/products/at3-ff-ml-20-inch-6-5-grendel-complete-upper-6-5-grendel-type-ii-20-inch-faxon-firearms-barrel-15-inch-m-lok-free-float-handguard
First 6.5 Grendel PSA or Sanders Armory? - pkw6five - 02-14-2020
Thanks. But at over 700 with the bcg and ch I would just buy a 6.5 creed bolt gun.
I'm trying to stay under 500 for the upper and just put it on my lower.
If I can get 3-4 inch groups at 400 great.
First 6.5 Grendel PSA or Sanders Armory? - Bigs28 - 02-14-2020
pkw6five Wrote:If I can get 3-4 inch groups at 400 great.
Anything can happen. You might get lucky but if that's what you really want then be prepared to replace the barrel.
First 6.5 Grendel PSA or Sanders Armory? - meatsweats - 02-14-2020
PSA has a lifetime warranty. In your price range that?s probably your number 1 option. They sell a ton of product so you have to check the site daily. Another option is to build a upper/lower. You can always upgrade parts as you see fit.
MS
First 6.5 Grendel PSA or Sanders Armory? - LRRPF52 - 02-14-2020
My first Grendel was built with an AA barrel/bolt combo I ordered from Midway.
My 2nd was built with one of the Lilja group buy barrels and a bolt from Precision Firearms.
I'm so glad I avoided the imitation parts that were on the market at that time, including those from Model 1 Sales, not that I ever entertained that idea.
Back then, you had to be on an email notification list with Midway if you wanted a chance to get any AA Grendel parts.
I'm not sure why someone looking for an economy deal wouldn't order from AA, PF, or LaRue right now, especially since AA offers 5/8x24 Thread muzzles now:
AA DIY Parts and Components
If you are willing to wait a bit for an exceptionally accurate barrel, get a Precision Firearms Criterion barrel.
I just noticed PF has Samurai barrels as well, for $250 a pop.
Known, proven companies that use the correct reamer and have more institutional knowledge of what it takes to make this work right.
If you're really strapped for cash, either the AA or PF Samurai barrel option makes a lot of sense.
If you can afford a bit more, get a Criterion barrel from PF and a Samurai matched receiver set.
If you want billet, get the LaRue Ultimate Upper kit for $792 which gives you everything except a stripped lower, and that includes the MBT-2S trigger, RAT stock, APEG grip, precision machined 7075 T6 RET, BCG, special gas system with sealed ferrule in the gas block, the Tranquilo brake, billet upper with matched handguard, and Charge Handle.
LaRue Ultimate Upper Kit
First 6.5 Grendel PSA or Sanders Armory? - lazyengineer - 02-15-2020
PSA is a lot of gun for the money. With a lot of features. Mine has been very reliable. Accuracy has been mixed - it's more of a 2 MOA gun. Sometimes better, sometimes worse - can be quite load particular on that. Occasionally someone will claim better accuracy with their's, but that's what my 2 PSA BBL's do for me. PSA does stand behind their stuff, no questions asked. If you get one and aren't happy with the accuracy, they'll replace it or give you your money back. Considering my 20" upper (w/ BCG) was only $299 delivered; I'm not really going to bother.
I will also say, expecting repeatable 3-4" groups at 400 yards is expecting a lot. Expect that even with premium barrel and ammo, at 400 yards, is asking a lot. With basic introductory equipment? well - I can say that hasn't worked out for me!
First 6.5 Grendel PSA or Sanders Armory? - RobertFL - 02-15-2020
I have a Sanders 6.5 grendel upper. At time of placing my order I upgraded to a 16" Faxon Gunner Match Grade hand lapped 5R barrel. Right out of the box it shot nice groups at 100 yards with Store bought Hornady 123 SSTs. After a couple of boxes of different brands of ammo it looks like the SSTs group the best. I think I have about 100 rounds down the barrel and it shoots the SSTs in nickle sized groups at 100 yards. I am not a target shooter and don't shoot often. I have not shot any steel case ammo. PSA builds and sells a lot of guns I have almost bought an upper from them several times, they sell out quick. When I called Sanders the Owner answered the phone and we talked about what I wanted in an upper.
First 6.5 Grendel PSA or Sanders Armory? - delt475 - 02-15-2020
pkw6five Wrote:Thanks. But at over 700 with the bcg and ch I would just buy a 6.5 creed bolt gun.
I'm trying to stay under 500 for the upper and just put it on my lower.
If I can get 3-4 inch groups at 400 great.
You?re asking a whole lot for a budget build. 3-4in groups at 400yds is moa or better. Factor in the semi-auto into that equation too. For a budget build you should be satisfied if it shoots 1.5-2moa.
Like others have said. If you want/expect moa or sub moa, you need to buy a quality barrel
First 6.5 Grendel PSA or Sanders Armory? - Bronz - 02-15-2020
Just starting out I would get a PSA in a heart beat. Get a rifle that will run well then go get some training.
First 6.5 Grendel PSA or Sanders Armory? - FLshooter - 02-15-2020
It depends on your budget and also what you plan to do with the rifle.PSA uppers are made with quality parts.The upper receiver BCG and hand rail are fine. The barrel is going to be your weak link if you are looking for consistent accuracy,especially at longer distances. But if you’re looking to do a little plinking and maybe some hunting you’ll be fine.
And if you buy the PSA upper and decide down the road that you want better accuracy ,you can always swap out the barrel for a custom barrel. And you’ll still come out on top.For the price,you cannot go wrong.
First 6.5 Grendel PSA or Sanders Armory? - pkw6five - 02-15-2020
I might have to wait a while. I just cut a sidewall on my truck. Looks like I need 4 tires.
First 6.5 Grendel PSA or Sanders Armory? - VictusKeld - 02-23-2020
I was considering Sander's armory for a cheap starting option a while back and sent them an email asking a few questions. Kelly Sanders called me back, I think the next day, and he went over the questions I had asked. He sounded like a friendly and very down to earth kind of guy.
One of my questions was regarding what barrels they used and what chambering they were: Grendel 1, 2, or 264 LBC. He seemed upset by this question as someone else had asked him the same thing earlier that day. He told me in no uncertain terms that there was no such thing as a "Grendel 2" and that every Grendel was SAAMI. The whole thing is still confusing to me, but I said that I had read that the main difference was a difference in throat design, compound vs conventional if I'm remembering correctly. Anyway, he didn't seem to know what I was talking about, but did state that he had been, and I believe still is, a Satern vendor later on in the conversation.
Maybe the differences aren't incredibly important, but there are different chambers right?
First 6.5 Grendel PSA or Sanders Armory? - A5BLASTER - 02-23-2020
VictusKeld Wrote:I was considering Sander's armory for a cheap starting option a while back and sent them an email asking a few questions. Kelly Sanders called me back, I think the next day, and he went over the questions I had asked. He sounded like a friendly and very down to earth kind of guy.
One of my questions was regarding what barrels they used and what chambering they were: Grendel 1, 2, or 264 LBC. He seemed upset by this question as someone else had asked him the same thing earlier that day. He told me in no uncertain terms that there was no such thing as a "Grendel 2" and that every Grendel was SAAMI. The whole thing is still confusing to me, but I said that I had read that the main difference was a difference in throat design, compound vs conventional if I'm remembering correctly. Anyway, he didn't seem to know what I was talking about, but did state that he had been, and I believe still is, a Satern vendor later on in the conversation.
Maybe the differences aren't incredibly important, but there are different chambers right?
When he said there is NO Grendel II and that all barrels were grendel sammi. That is your clue to never do business with him.
The grendel/grendel II/264 lbc-ar chamber differences have long been hashed out and only one of them is too sammi spec.
AA
JP
Faxon
BA
PF
Just to name a few off the top of my head.
If someone tells you there chamber design is better then what AA/Bill Alexander brought out are that they are all sammi. Run away very fast
For what it's worth I have talked to that guy and he is full of it. In fact he tryed to sell me on his chamber. His chamber is not sammi nor is it grendel II are 264 lbc-ar. I found that out by playing stupid and letting him tell me. Then when I showed I knew the difference he stopped talking to me about it.
It's sad that it's the year 2020 and we still have to deal with people trying to make money of the grendel name while selling non built to spec chambered barrels.
First 6.5 Grendel PSA or Sanders Armory? - VictusKeld - 02-24-2020
A5BLASTER Wrote:When he said there is NO Grendel II and that all barrels were grendel sammi. That is your clue to never do business with him.
Thanks for your feedback. I figured that was the case and came to that conclusion, but honestly still wondered if I had misunderstood what I had researched. Anyway, I just figured that I ought to bring it up since someone was considering the company like I had been. The accuracy estimates he gave for his rifles were quite optimistic as well.