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PSA upper might be a deal after all - Rackfreak_210 - 01-21-2020 I bought a PSA 18? mlok upper on sale a while back for super cheap planning on re-barreling it down the road. I didn?t have very high expectations and have read a few things about ejection/failure to feed issues with them but decided to pull the trigger anyway. Low and behold wouldn?t ya know mine also had ejection issues. I have to be honest, at the first trip to the range I had to try really hard not to beat it up against a tree. Not only would it fail to eject rounds no matter how I adjusted the gas block, the target looked like I shot it with a 12 gauge shotgun. After regrouping a few days later I decided to give it one more shot. So I tore it apart, drilled out the gas port, lapped the receiver, bedded the barrel, and headed back to the range. It took me a little bit to get the gas block adjusted but once I did, I shot group with hornady black123?s and AA nosler 120?s and it made a drastic improvement! Thank goodness I didn?t pitch this barrel and decided to give it another try. I only have about 80 rounds through it so who knows, it might even get better. So all in all I DID get a good deal! PSA upper might be a deal after all - Rackfreak_210 - 01-21-2020 Another group with Alexander Arms 120gr. Nosler ballistic tips PSA upper might be a deal after all - A5BLASTER - 01-21-2020 Congrats sir on sticking with it and getting it to group. This is why I like to build my own. I know if I have a problem I almost immediately know what it is. PSA upper might be a deal after all - Rackfreak_210 - 01-21-2020 Thanks I appreciate it. It sure is satisfying. PSA upper might be a deal after all - FLshooter - 01-21-2020 I lap my AR upper receivers.But I?ve never bedded an AR barrel. What do you use? Loctite? PSA upper might be a deal after all - therealtrikky - 01-21-2020 I had similar accuracy issues with my 12" psa when I bought it (no ejection issues though). After owning it for about a year & being absolutely certain it was just that I couldn't shoot anymore I tore mine down & did the same. Found the upper was WAY out when I started lapping it. Now it's worth keeping (even if it does just sit in the safe now days lol). PSA upper might be a deal after all - Rackfreak_210 - 01-22-2020 I used high heat permatex sleeve retainer. PSA upper might be a deal after all - 1Shot - 01-22-2020 FLshooter Wrote:I lap my AR upper receivers.But I?ve never bedded an AR barrel. What do you use? Loctite? Bedding an AR is using something like mentioned, I use BLUE Lock tight, and spread it around the barrel extension so when you slip it into the upper frame it fills any gaps that may be between the extension and frame. This does away with the chance of any movement during firing. Always use something that will allow you to remove the barrel. That is the reason that I used BLUE Lock tight. You can put a wooden dowel through the action that his held in a vice up against the barrel extension and hit the dowel with a hammer to break the BLUE Lock tight loose to remover the barrel. PSA upper might be a deal after all - Kswhitetails - 01-22-2020 FLshooter - Blue, Green, Red. All three, never noticed a difference. I grease the upper prior to installing the bedded barrel, it makes taking it off less stressful but still accomplishes the goal. Here's something you should do. Get some accuracy data from your builds. Then, break them down, bed the barrels, and re-shoot. It may not make much difference, but I can tell you from personal experience, a squared receiver and bedded barrel are more accurate than not doing those two things. In the end it may well be that squaring the receiver is what does it, but the barrel being bedded and cured makes the union MUCH more solid than otherwise, and in the interest of long term reliably repeatable accuracy, solid unmovable union in this area is a no brainer. It adds 8 hours to your build, with the benefit of a nearly monolithic structure between barrel and upper. I torque to 42 ft-lbs. PSA upper might be a deal after all - FLshooter - 01-22-2020 Kswhitetails Wrote:FLshooter - Blue, Green, Red. All three, never noticed a difference. I grease the upper prior to installing the bedded barrel, it makes taking it off less stressful but still accomplishes the goal. Here's something you should do. Get some accuracy data from your builds. Then, break them down, bed the barrels, and re-shoot. It may not make much difference, but I can tell you from personal experience, a squared receiver and bedded barrel are more accurate than not doing those two things. In the end it may well be that squaring the receiver is what does it, but the barrel being bedded and cured makes the union MUCH more solid than otherwise, and in the interest of long term reliably repeatable accuracy, solid unmovable union in this area is a no brainer. It adds 8 hours to your build, with the benefit of a nearly monolithic structure between barrel and upper.I agree w/you that squaring the face of the upper receiver with a lapping tool is 100% necessary. I’ve been doing that for a long time. And it’s been proven to help with accuracy. I have several gun club acquaintances that swear by bedding their AR barrel w/loctite. It’s just that no one can offer me any proof that actually does anything for accuracy. And one of the main reasons I don’t want to do it is because I have tried to remove an AR barrel that was bedded. Not fun. Almost makes the upper disposable.I torque my barrel nut somewhere between 40 to 50 pounds. PSA upper might be a deal after all - A5BLASTER - 01-22-2020 FLshooter Wrote:I agree w/you that squaring the face of the upper receiver with a lapping tool is 100% necessary. I’ve been doing that for a long time. And it’s been proven to help with accuracy. I have several gun club acquaintances that swear by bedding their AR barrel w/loctite. It’s just that no one can offer me any proof that actually does anything for accuracy. Price of mop handle and a 4 pound hammer, put it in a clamshell and drive it out with about 4 good hits. Not that hard. PSA upper might be a deal after all - FLshooter - 01-22-2020 A5BLASTER Wrote:Price of mop handle and a 4 pound hammer, put it in a clamshell and drive it out with about 4 good hits.I cut a piece of thick leather off a belt to protect the barrel.Then I hit it out with a large punch I made from an old Proto half-inch breaker bar from my mechanic days. It works without destroying anything .But,I like your way much better ,thank you. I have a worn out broom I can use. PSA upper might be a deal after all - A5BLASTER - 01-22-2020 FLshooter Wrote:I cut a piece of thick leather off a belt to protect the barrel.Then I hit it out with a large punch I made from an old Proto half-inch breaker bar from my mechanic days. It works without destroying anything .But,I like your way much better ,thank you. I have a worn out broom I can use. I use a peice of industrial mop handle the really thick kind. Cut it square on both ends and get out my 4 pound sledge. Few good wack's and the barrel is put and because it's wood it can't hurt anything in the upper are the barrel. Pro tip, put some padding down for the barrel to land on and don't take you muzzle device off till after the barrel is out, helps protect the threads if you leave the muzzle device on. PSA upper might be a deal after all - FLshooter - 01-22-2020 A5BLASTER Wrote:I use a peice of industrial mop handle the really thick kind. Cut it square on both ends and get out my 4 pound sledge.Good advice ,thanks. If one doesn’t have an industrial mop handle laying around,HD sells 4’ hardwood dowels in millwork.The 7/8 inch diameter is $4. PSA upper might be a deal after all - Rackfreak_210 - 01-23-2020 I appreciate all the advice here guys. I am fairly new to AR rifles having only built one. I didn’t really know what to make of all this bedding talk until I finally decided to try it. The results speak for themselves. It turned my shotgun into a rifle
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