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Decisions, decisions - MF'nLeadFarmer - 01-09-2012
Any advice based on ownership of the following uppers?
The difference between these 2 uppers in the Sabre Defence barrel. Can anyone speak to the company's reputation? Also, I've not read much about Les Baer in the 6.5 Grendel world but have hear nothing but good things otherwise.
http://www.precisionfirearms.com/m8/6.5%20Grendel%20Neptune%20V%20%28Five%29--6-5-grendel-neptune-v-five.html
http://www.precisionfirearms.com/m8/6.5%20Grendel%20Neptune%20IV%20%28Four%29--6-5-grendel-neptune-iv-four.html
Then there's always this one but I think it doesn't come with the phosphate bolt and the Les Baer national match carrier.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/115064/alexander-arms-ar-15-a3-overwatch-upper-assembly-65-grendel-1-in-9-twist-24-match-barrel-stainless-steel-with-free-float-tube-handguard-10-round-magazine
Lastly, there's this AA built rifle, but I can't find any information as far as the particulars i.e. the bolt carrier, whther the barrel is bull or not and what the barrel thred is. Anyone have one of these or know the firther details?
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/430/products_id/411540474/Alexander+Arms+Overwatch+6.5+GRENDEL+24+10/
thoughts, advice?
Decisions, decisions - Mutt - 01-09-2012
Some of the other "Non Grendel" makers out there use a different chamber/throat than AA. Some of these Non Grendel's have had isssues with factory ammo not cycling well. I'd stick with the Grendel name (whether it be AA or someone else) since that will have the same standard.
Decisions, decisions - Rust - 01-09-2012
I have one of the 20" Sabre uppers. The barrel has been fine, but has not done anything to blow my mind. It's been consistently inconsistent with groupings always around 1" to 1.5". It was loose in the Sabre upper it came with as well though I didn't bother to measure either to see if one or the other was out of spec I just bedded the extension. It is however a standard Grendel chamber and the LBC is not if you feel that matters to you.
Decisions, decisions - blackfoot - 01-09-2012
I have a Les Baer Super Match .264 LBC and it's eats factory hornady with 0 problems, and puts them in one hole. I like it so much I decided I'm going to get a Les Baer M4 Upper also. I hear a lot of people saying there can be problems with the LBC, but I've never actually seen first had or heard from somebody that actually had a problem. It's really the same cartridge with a little tighter chamber specs, like a standard .308 and a minimum spec match chamber .308. If you want acurracy and are using it for shooting/hunting, I don't see a downside. If you want to go to war with it and make sure it fires when you pick it up out of the mud and sand, maybe there are potential issues.
Decisions, decisions - leopard6.5 - 01-09-2012
MF'nLeadFarmer: Be careful not to equate an Upper or Rifle built by Les Baer himself in his shop to one using one of his barrels but assembled by someone else with other parts than Les's.
I currently own and have owned others in the past, uppers and rifles built by Les himself in his shop and they have proven very accurate for me.
When you start talking about just his barrel in someone elses build it could be a whole different situation.
The barrel will have his quality but who knows what kind of quality the total build will have.
I'm not familiar with that builder so it could be good or it could be bad and you won't know until after you have paid and received the product.
One of the reasons I purchase from places like Les Baer, Alexander Arms, etc. is because I want the extra layer of quality control I get from Les and Bill A. before my order leaves their shop. They tend to be very picky about the products that go out their doors because their name is on the line with each sale.
This would not be the same when buying from someone who is just an assembler of other peoples parts. Once again, it may be just fine and you would be happy with the rifle or upper but it also may turn out bad for you and then you're out the time and money you tried to save.
Either way you decide to go, good luck and good shooting.
Lee
Decisions, decisions - MF'nLeadFarmer - 01-12-2012
I called Precision Firearms and the owner Mark answered: he was very nice and willing to answer my many questions. I enquired whether the Les Baer barrel was in fact .264 or a Les Baer barrel cut to 6.5G. The Les Baer barrel option is in fact .264 not 6.5G. Although he says his tolerances are tight but not tight enough to cause FTF. He also offers Lothar barrels fluted and threaded for another $100 while still utilizing the national match carrier chambered in 6.5G. The Les Baer barrel cannot be fluted or threaded without voiding the warranty. I will be opting for the Lothar barrel since its still in my budget. Apparently he also offers another barrel called a "logia" or "losia" with a custom matched carrier and bolt for an additional $200 which puts me out of my budget.
I also enquired about upgrading to a zero fail bolt just for the sake of reliability however he says the stock phosphate bolt should be utilized because they're matched to the carrier from AA. Apparently he was one of the few authorized AA sellers before 6.5G went SAAMI.
He also offers a matched billet lower with a one piece trigger guard. My question to you guys is that do you think a matched lower matters? I plan on using an Aero lower with an accuwedge. Opinions on a matched lower as far as decreasing or increasing accuracy? I plan on using this rifle for targets at up to 1000yds. I would love to shoot sub MOA but I fear the rifle will be more accurate than I ever could be as I'm not an experiences long range shooter. I also plan on hunti with this rifle so accuracy is important but a gnats ass at a 1000yds is great but not a prerequisite (mostly because of my apprehension about doing my part in making such a shot).
Decisions, decisions - closetohome - 01-12-2012
I ordered an upper from Precision Firearms last week and UPS shipping notice says it is supposed to be delivered tomorrow so I am chomping at the bit to get my hands on it. I went with the 24" LBC version with the standard DPMS vented handguard. It is going on my DPMS lower with a Magpul PRS stock and Jewell 2 stage trigger until I can put another lower together for it. Might go with a Precision FA lower as well but that is further down the road. My JP scope mount should be here in a few days and Im still not sure which optics will go on it yet but I have it narrowed down to a few scopes right now. Should have it up and running by early February and will report back on what it does if anyone is interested.
Decisions, decisions - Whelenon - 01-12-2012
closetohome Wrote:I ordered an upper from Precision Firearms last week and UPS shipping notice says it is supposed to be delivered tomorrow so I am chomping at the bit to get my hands on it. I went with the 24" LBC version with the standard DPMS vented handguard. It is going on my DPMS lower with a Magpul PRS stock and Jewell 2 stage trigger until I can put another lower together for it. Might go with a Precision FA lower as well but that is further down the road. My JP scope mount should be here in a few days and Im still not sure which optics will go on it yet but I have it narrowed down to a few scopes right now. Should have it up and running by early February and will report back on what it does if anyone is interested.Always interested in what guys are buying and using. Especially, what works and what doesn't. Look forward to your evaluation and range report, oh and if you can post some pics that would be good too. Welcome to the Horde.
Decisions, decisions - closetohome - 01-13-2012
Whelenon Wrote:Always interested in what guys are buying and using. Especially, what works and what doesn't. Look forward to your evaluation and range report, oh and if you can post some pics that would be good too. Welcome to the Horde.
Will post pictures of the upper once I get it and get it all set up and to the range. Pretty much settled on the Swarovski 5-30X50 because it offers the best range for what I am trying to do with the rifle but will be another 2 weeks before I can get my hands on it.
Decisions, decisions - PrecisionFirearms - 01-16-2012
Apparently he also offers another barrel called a "logia" or "losia" with a custom matched carrier and bolt for an additional $200 which puts me out of my budget.
This barrel is a LILJA Barrel. We use a barrel blank that is fluted and profiled by Lilja. We then Chamber in true 6.5 Grendel, install the barrel Extension and port the barrel. These shoot the best groups of any barrels we have used. We will also be offering them in Kreiger barrels as soon as our shipment of blanks arrive.
Decisions, decisions - bwaites - 01-16-2012
PrecisionFirearms Wrote:Apparently he also offers another barrel called a "logia" or "losia" with a custom matched carrier and bolt for an additional $200 which puts me out of my budget.
This barrel is a LILJA Barrel. We use a barrel blank that is fluted and profiled by Lilja. We then Chamber in true 6.5 Grendel, install the barrel Extension and port the barrel. These shoot the best groups of any barrels we have used. We will also be offering them in Kreiger barrels as soon as our shipment of blanks arrive.
LOL!! I was trying to figure out who the new barrel maker was! Thanks for the post before my brain started smoking!
Decisions, decisions - elkbow - 01-16-2012
PrecisionFirearms Wrote:Apparently he also offers another barrel called a "logia" or "losia" with a custom matched carrier and bolt for an additional $200 which puts me out of my budget.
This barrel is a LILJA Barrel. We use a barrel blank that is fluted and profiled by Lilja. We then Chamber in true 6.5 Grendel, install the barrel Extension and port the barrel. These shoot the best groups of any barrels we have used. We will also be offering them in Kreiger barrels as soon as our shipment of blanks arrive.
nice to hear, so you have the Lilja barrels in stock? What would turnaround time be for ordering an upper with the Lilja barrel?