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FoldAR 12" Grendel - hill37 - 05-07-2019
Head Honcho of FoldAR said on ARFCOM the 6.5 Grendel wasn't "suited' for a 12" barrel and he wouldn't recommend it. (?)https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/FoldAR-Rolling-Review/124-739524/#i7885922
FoldAR 12" Grendel - A5BLASTER - 05-07-2019
Lmffao well he is free to belive what he wants the rest of us know better. Lol bet he owns a 6.8 and 300 blkout in 12 inch lmao.
I mean come on its 2019, how do people think they can post and say such stupid stuff and have others take them seriously.
FoldAR 12" Grendel - hill37 - 05-07-2019
For some reason it may not work in the FoldAR but that's no reason to say it won't work at all.
FoldAR 12" Grendel - A5BLASTER - 05-07-2019
hill37 Wrote:For some reason it may not work in the FoldAR but that's no reason to say it won't work at all.
No he stated grendel doesn't work in 12 inch barrels and needs to be no shorter then 16-18 inchs. His statement was in general and not based off his products not working as a 12 inch grendel.
A few post done there was a member doing up his own grendel barrel to replace the 223 barrel that came in his foldar.
So the way I read it and the way he made it sound is he has been feed a line of bs and he truly believes that a grendel can't run in a 12 inch barrel.
Not that I'm going to waist money buying that junk he is selling, I have zero use for something like that. And have no intentions in adding 2 more failure points too a already complicated weapon full of failure points.
I just think it's retarded too say grendel needs longer then a 12 inch barrel. I mean come on that's so 2006 spc of him.
FoldAR 12" Grendel - hill37 - 05-07-2019
I hope the 12" that guy is building runs like a stripped a** ape.
FoldAR 12" Grendel - Wanderson - 05-07-2019
Then please don’t tell my PSA 12” upper cause it seems to shoot Wolf steel and Hornady Black to my satisfaction.
FoldAR 12" Grendel - Forgottenben - 05-08-2019
Stainless or regular barrel?
Wanderson Wrote:Then please don’t tell my PSA 12” upper cause it seems to shoot Wolf steel and Hornady Black to my satisfaction.
FoldAR 12" Grendel - CaptnC - 05-08-2019
I have not read his writings but I think the chambering is better served in a longer barrel. I did a search earlier this week and I could only find three barrel makers cutting a 12". Many of those who sell AR barrels don't offer 12.5" barrels. I think there is a good reason for that. While I do enjoy getting under the skin of those who are kind of thin skinned over the subject.
I've said it before, I think someone sold Faxon barrels on making them. They seen a chance to make a buck so they did it. I'm not saying it's a dumb idea, but there are smarter choices when it comes to practical Grendel barrel lengths.
It's a great chambering for the AR platform and I don't agree with hand cuff in it with a short barrel
FoldAR 12" Grendel - A5BLASTER - 05-08-2019
CaptnC Wrote:I have not read his writings but I think the chambering is better served in a longer barrel. I did a search earlier this week and I could only find three barrel makers cutting a 12". Many of those who sell AR barrels don't offer 12.5" barrels. I think there is a good reason for that. While I do enjoy getting under the skin of those who are kind of thin skinned over the subject.
I've said it before, I think someone sold Faxon barrels on making them. They seen a chance to make a buck so they did it. I'm not saying it's a dumb idea, but there are smarter choices when it comes to practical Grendel barrel lengths.
It's a great chambering for the AR platform and I don't agree with hand cuff in it with a short barrel
Probably will get labeled as this skinned but here you go.
You keep posting the same statement in every thread that has too do with short barrels. We get it you don't think it's a good idea and don't want it.
You have stated it several times. Seems like your jyst being a troll about it now.
It's a novel idea, somethings being discussed you think isn't worth while, don't reply too it and move along too discussions that are more inline with your ideas and thoughts.
Ohh and just so you can read it in 2 threads now here us a list of company's that cut short grendel barrels- AA,PF,Faxon,Odion,BA,BCA,Xcaliber, Lijia will cut short grendel barrels on contract. I'm probably missing a few well known shops and tons of custom shops that will cut you whatever you like.
Notice I didn't list the shops that cut 264lbc chambers, that would have made the list even longer but then someone would have argued it isn't a grendel.
Point being is its getting kind of old too keep reading the same stuff every short barrel thread. I could understand if you were accutly trying discuss but your not you simple want too start a flame up.
Ok rant over and skin rubbed even thinner. Enjoy fellas.
FoldAR 12" Grendel - CaptnC - 05-09-2019
Ok...I tried to make a low key post that not everyone buys into 12.5 Grendel. That I also dont.
I guess because I don't believe like some here, I shouldn't express my opinion because some here get their panties in a wad over it!
I've been involved in a number of threads like this on the Long Range Hunting Forum and my opinion is shared by the masses there. I would suggest those who get so upset over my opinion not go there. Their therapist will not be happy with the huge set back they experienced by hearing an opinion that differs from theirs.
Maybe you should have a sticky made that startes any negative opinion about 12.5" Grendel barrels is strictly forbidden on this forum! Everyone must support our opinion, any other opinions are not welcome!
Feel free to cut and past this in your forum rules!
FoldAR 12" Grendel - hill37 - 05-09-2019
No one told you can't post but you can't tell them not to post their opinion either.
FoldAR 12" Grendel - A5BLASTER - 05-09-2019
CaptnC Wrote:Ok...I tried to make a low key post that not everyone buys into 12.5 Grendel. That I also dont.
I guess because I don't believe like some here, I shouldn't express my opinion because some here get their panties in a wad over it!
I've been involved in a number of threads like this on the Long Range Hunting Forum and my opinion is shared by the masses there. I would suggest those who get so upset over my opinion not go there. Their therapist will not be happy with the huge set back they experienced by hearing an opinion that differs from theirs.
Maybe you should have a sticky made that startes any negative opinion about 12.5" Grendel barrels is strictly forbidden on this forum! Everyone must support our opinion, any other opinions are not welcome!
Feel free to cut and past this in your forum rules!
There is a difference in opinion and posting it in every thread about short barreled grendels. When it's in every thread it's past opinion too more of being a troll.
And yea I'm a member of that fourm too. And yep lots of guys don't own short barreled grendels but one lol fact your leaving out from that statement.
That fourm is for dicussing LONG RANGE not something most would consider a short barreled grendel for doing.
And I'm not going to cut and paste anything because it's not my fourm.
Yea I like your low key approach. I don't like it, no body makes them, I don't think grendel should be used in short barrels.
Yep very low key of you.
It's kind of simple really. I mean a very novel idea just hit me. If you don't want other members of this fourm to disagree with your constant injection of what you like or don't like. Then simple don't reply to threads that are discussing products that you deam unworthy of ownership or usefullness.
Keep yourself too threads that are more inline with your interest and you won't have to worrie about members firing back at you for constantly posting the same drivel in every short barrel grendel thread.
And you won't have to get butthurt when said members post data too prove that your wrong.
Now sorry if that upsets you but well let's face it this is like what the 4th or 5th thread you have posted that same stuff.
It's time too move on you have more then once voiced your opinion about said subject.
FoldAR 12" Grendel - CaptnC - 05-09-2019
https://www.brownells.com/search/index.htm?k=6.5+Grendel+barrel&ksubmit=y&f_a=1
Brownells carries Faxon barrels...but not any 12.5"...as for your list, anyone, who turns AR barrels, will turn what you want...that does make it the right choice.
"That fourm is for dicussing LONG RANGE not something most would consider a short barreled grendel for doing."
But yet I read on here of 12.5" Grendel being "stupid easy to.make hits on steel at 800 yards"...it's not "stupid easy" to make with a 26" barreled magnum. That is unless your shooting at something the size of an elephant.
I ran some numbers after your last post, just out of curiosity to see the MV of a 12.5"....1,080fps...I can almost throw a snowball at that speed! J/K
But it is getting almost to the speed it moving more vertical than horizontal...ALMOST!
All that said Im not saying a 24" barrel is going to do wondrous things at that distance either, but if I'm going to shoot that far, it will be with something I stand the best chance to do it with!
FoldAR 12" Grendel - CaptnC - 05-09-2019
One last thing...when someone new to the forum comes and asks a question, he shouldn't have 5 or 6 guys (many times the same guys) jump in and tell him how great something is without a second opinion. .. or at least an alternative opinion.
FoldAR 12" Grendel - Forgottenben - 05-09-2019
CaptnC Wrote:One last thing...when someone new to the forum comes and asks a question, he shouldn't have 5 or 6 guys (many times the same guys) jump in and tell him how great something is without a second opinion. .. or at least an alternative opinion.
Have you ever fired a 12.5 Grendel, or are you just generally against them?
Personally every gun I own would be an sbr but a big reason I havent is the legal crap, which if youre using your brain is why barrels shorter than 14.5 are much less common.
FoldAR 12" Grendel - Forgottenben - 05-09-2019
CaptnC Wrote:I ran some numbers after your last post, just out of curiosity to see the MV of a 12.5"....1,080fps...I can almost throw a snowball at that speed! J/K
But it is getting almost to the speed it moving more vertical than horizontal...ALMOST!
All that said Im not saying a 24" barrel is going to do wondrous things at that distance either, but if I'm going to shoot that far, it will be with something I stand the best chance to do it with!
Please tell me youre not saying the muzzle velocity of a 12.5 is 1080 FPS?
FoldAR 12" Grendel - rabiddawg - 05-09-2019
Forgottenben Wrote:Please tell me you’re not saying the muzzle velocity of a 12.5 is 1080 FPS?
Why heck yeah! He “ran the numbers” so it’s gotta be right
FoldAR 12" Grendel - CaptnC - 05-09-2019
hill37 Wrote:Head Honcho of FoldAR said on ARFCOM the 6.5 Grendel wasn't "suited' for a 12" barrel and he wouldn't recommend it. (?)https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/FoldAR-Rolling-Review/124-739524/#i7885922
Well, well...took the time this morning to skim over the thread in the opening post.
I'm betting this guy owns the old TV series "Get Smart" and most of the 007 movies out there.
I had no idea he was talking about "function"/wouldn't work. His problem isn't a ballistics issue, it's has something to do with short gas system of the 12".
When the BATF comes to save us from all the evil black rifles I'm not sure his little tacticool AR will help you much in the gun fight that will follow them kicking your door in.
My friend I speak of so often built a side fold recently, I checked it out but didn't fire it. Looked cool, but I can't see myself wasting the time and money to have one.
FoldAR 12" Grendel - CaptnC - 05-09-2019
Forgottenben Wrote:Please tell me you’re not saying the muzzle velocity of a 12.5 is 1080 FPS?
No sir...at 800yds. With a 200yds zero you have roughly -331" of drop...I was using a pretty high BC bullet that I had in the calculator...
FoldAR 12" Grendel - CaptnC - 05-09-2019
rabiddawg Wrote:Why heck yeah! He “ran the numbers” so it’s gotta be right
Here you go genius!
http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj-5.1.cgi
Seriously, it's a pretty accurate program...at least here at sea level in the Houston area. I will admit I've mainly only used it to 600yds. That's all I have in known yardages at the range I shoot at. But it works on all chamberings I have.