Tex Nomex Wrote:It's true that games and movies do imply that guns=power and that retribution is rewarding.

montana Wrote:I would guess the victim mentality taught in our schools and "the youth of today" not being taught how to deal with rejection, bullying, or failure. Instead of learning from their failures, they have been taught to blame others for life's hardships and lash out with a three year old mentality. All of this stems from poor parenting or the complete lack of.

PAsasquatch Wrote:This argument may have some validity to it; though I believe it is far to narrow.

PAsasquatch Wrote:Is this "ritalin" statement going to impact our 2A rights?

montana Wrote:I would guess the victim mentality taught in our schools...

montana Wrote:...and "the youth of today" not being taught how to deal with rejection, bullying, or failure.

stanc Wrote:I haven't been in a high school classroom for well over 50 years. What "victim mentality" are they teaching these days?


LOL. When I was "a youth of long ago," I was never taught how to deal with rejection, bullying, or failure, either. It didn't cause me to want to go on a shooting rampage.

Sticks Wrote:Stanc - Society in your time did give you the tools to cope with the rejection, bullying, and failure.

Sticks Wrote:I presume you did not get a "Participant" trophy or ribbon in school sports? You either placed in the top three, or you got nothing but "Try harder".

stanc Wrote:I haven't been in a high school classroom for well over 50 years. What "victim mentality" are they teaching these days?


LOL. When I was "a youth of long ago," I was never taught how to deal with rejection, bullying, or failure, either. It didn't cause me to want to go on a shooting rampage.

m796rider Wrote:Ollie North's assertions are nonsense unless you read "kids are overprescribed medication these days" from his comments (that's iffy, IMHO).

m796rider Wrote:However, drawing any global conclusions solely from your own experiences is equally nonsense.

Quote:“They've been drugged in many cases. Nearly all of these perpetrators are male, and they're young teenagers in most cases, and they've come through a culture where violence is commonplace," said North. "Many of these young boys have been on Ritalin since they were in kindergarten. Now, I am certainly not a doctor, I'm a Marine, but I can see those kinds of things happening."

North added: "The problem that we've got is, we're trying like the dickens to treat the symptom without treating the disease, and the disease in this case isn't the Second Amendment; the disease is youngsters who are steeped in a culture of violence."

stanc Wrote:I haven't been in a high school classroom for well over 50 years. What "victim mentality" are they teaching these days?

stanc Wrote:LOL. When I was "a youth of long ago," I was never taught how to deal with rejection, bullying, or failure, either. It didn't cause me to want to go on a shooting rampage.

montana Wrote:When I was in high school, I was bullied a few times until I got sick of it and bloodied the kids face right on the inside stairs of our school. There was blood all over the lockers and floor. A teacher asked me the next day what happened and I told him. He smiled and said he would take care of it. I heard nothing more of it. We were aloud to take care of our problems and the teachers knew who the trouble makers were. Grade school was no different. The same thing happened to me on the school bus with the blood flying.

montana Wrote:Being a tattletale was considered to be weak and no one ever considered it. If an unfair fight occurred, the older students themselves would educate the unfair bully. I, "as all of my friends were taught" not to go crying to our parents and school faculty. I grew up with loggers, miners and ranchers. We were taught right from wrong and were expected to stand tall even if we were scared sh@tless. Today, I would have been expelled or worse arrested and sued. Kids are punished for giving the smallest slights and the victim is expected to cry for help if some one is mean to them, sickening. I feel sorry for today's youth.

montana Wrote:Come on Stan, you had to of had the rules of the school yard?

montana Wrote:If you were bullied, failed or rejected, who would listen to you complain? You would just deal with it LOL.

LRRPF52 Wrote:The obvious and glaring causal factors of these mass shootings, especially at schools, seem to be:

* Revenge/retribution/targeting of easy mass casualty areas
* Psyche meds

Firearms are not the common denominator...

stanc Wrote:That's nonsense. Firearms are clearly a common denominator of these mass shootings.

Psyche meds may or may not be a causal factor. It could very well be that the medical issues (which the meds are meant to treat) are the actual causal factor.

stanc Wrote:Hmm. All of that blood makes me wonder who was actually the bully...

stanc Wrote:The schools do sometimes go a bit overboard in punishing trivial acts, but basically they're instilling in the kids the same behavior that will be expected of them as adults: Call the authorities "if someone is mean to them."

If your neighbor makes harassing phone calls to you, or throws rocks at your house, you can't legally go over and beat him bloody; you're expected to call the police. If you try to "deal with it" yourself, there's a good chance that you will be arrested.

stanc Wrote:The flaw in your thinking is that not everybody is equipped (mentally or physically) to "deal" well with such issues. I certainly was not, when they happened to me.

The only time I was bullied in school was in the 4th Grade. While on the playground during recess, a classmate -- who was much bigger and stronger than I -- shoved me against the fence and pinned me there briefly. He had me immobilized, unable to do anything in response. I was totally stunned, never having experienced anything remotely like it before, so the only thing I could think of to do was tell the teacher about it.

The only time I ever failed in school, as well as the only time I was rejected by a girl, were even greater emotional shocks, and I was totally unprepared to deal with either.